[The Penguin]

Liam on BBOTS and the audience there agreed.

Speidi were being marginalised and made to feel like unwanted. That's a form of psychological bullying. That's why Spencer said he empathises with minorities now.

That's also why Tricia had to say "we're not bad people" before giving them pillows. She felt guilty because she had reason to feel guilty. She as good as admitted it with that comment.

Only people who hate Speidi would deny that they were being bullied or try and trivialise it. Most reasonable people would aknowledge it.

[Jake.]

They were made to feel unwanted because they done the same with the HM's in the first place. It's like people think that they are both sinless angels, when infact they give as good as they get.

[sampvt]

Oh please not another bully thread, its getting boring. If you are thinking Speidi are being bullied then I am afraid you must have a white stick and a big fliffy dog.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Oh please not another bully thread, its getting boring. If you are thinking Speidi are being bullied then I am afraid you must have a white stick and a big fliffy dog.

One of your posts which I 100% agree with

[reece(:]

The HMs are trying to portray Speidi as the big bad wolves but they only give as good as they get.

[flamingGalah!]

Bullied my arse!

Any treatment they have received that they don't like is entirely their own doing. They went in there being ignorant, rude & unfriendly & acted like complete arseholes. Do you really think everyone should have been lovely to them at all times?!? Act like a dick, get treated like a dick

[JTM45]

Yeah, i was extremely impressed with the way Liam put his points across on BBBOTS tonight! Well done that lad.

You had your typical Rylan 'celeb' supporter Daniella Westbrook, singing Rylan's praises while trying to make Speidi out to be the Devil incarnate!
I don't know about you but i don't tend to hold the opinions of so called celebs who are best known as "that idiot girl who burnt her septum away doing huge amounts of coke with Brian 'The Chav King' Harvey" in too high regard!

Liam, on the other hand, came across very well and made some very valid observations about the way the rest of the house had treated Speidi and the fact that Rylan was revelling in the marginalisation of Spencer and Heidi and looked very comfortable as the self-appointed leader of the witch-hunt, stoking the fire at every available opportunity. Rylan really isn't a very nice person at all and Razor has been just as bad, acting like Rylan's thug sidekick.

Emma did quite well at pulling Tricia up on a few things she was totally contradicting herself on too. Tricia was lost for words a few times. She had a lot more to say about Speidi once they weren't there to defend themselves. It's only to be expected with a nobody like Tricia though!

Even if Speidi don't win (which sadly i don't think they will) i'd love their final triumph to be them outlasting Razor. I think Razor sees himself as a possible outright winner and if not then he'll be expecting to come second after Rylan at the very least. I think he's in for a shock !

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Bullied my arse!

Any treatment they have received that they don't like is entirely their own doing. They went in there being ignorant, rude & unfriendly & acted like complete arseholes. Do you really think everyone should have been lovely to them at all times?!? Act like a dick, get treated like a dick

Couldn't have put it better myself. I honestly thought this was a tongue in cheek thread.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, i was extremely impressed with the way Liam put his points across on BBBOTS tonight! Well done that lad.

You had your typical Rylan 'celeb' supporter Daniella Westbrook, singing Rylan's praises while trying to make Speidi out to be the Devil incarnate!
I don't know about you but i don't tend to hold the opinions of so called celebs who are best known as "that idiot girl who burnt her septum away doing huge amounts of coke with Brian 'The Chav King' Harvey" in too high regard!

Liam, on the other hand, came across very well and made some very valid observations about the way the rest of the house had treated Speidi and the fact that Rylan was revelling in the marginalisation of Spencer and Heidi and looked very comfortable as the self-appointed leader of the witch-hunt, stoking the fire at every available opportunity. Rylan really isn't a very nice person at all and Razor has been just as bad, acting like Rylan's thug sidekick.

Emma did quite well at pulling Tricia up on a few things she was totally contradicting herself on too. Tricia was lost for words a few times. She had a lot more to say about Speidi once they weren't there to defend themselves. It's only to be expected with a nobody like Tricia though!

Even if Speidi don't win (which sadly i don't think they will) i'd love their final triumph to be them outlasting Razor. I think Razor sees himself as a possible outright winner and if not then he'll be expecting to come second after Rylan at the very least. I think he's in for a shock !

[Tregard]

Two wrongs don't make a right, people. People bullying can be being bullied at the same time, that doesn't change the fact.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Tregard

Two wrongs don't make a right, people. People bullying can be being bullied at the same time, that doesn't change the fact.

So Speidi are bullies too then? But it's only wrong if Speidi are bullied?? Glad we have sorted that...

[Ramsay]

Speidi are my favourite housemates, but to even suggest that they were bullied is stupid

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, i was extremely impressed with the way Liam put his points across on BBBOTS tonight! Well done that lad.

You had your typical Rylan 'celeb' supporter Daniella Westbrook, singing Rylan's praises while trying to make Speidi out to be the Devil incarnate!
I don't know about you but i don't tend to hold the opinions of so called celebs who are best known as "that idiot girl who burnt her septum away doing huge amounts of coke with Brian 'The Chav King' Harvey" in too high regard!

Liam, on the other hand, came across very well and made some very valid observations about the way the rest of the house had treated Speidi and the fact that Rylan was revelling in the marginalisation of Spencer and Heidi and looked very comfortable as the self-appointed leader of the witch-hunt, stoking the fire at every available opportunity. Rylan really isn't a very nice person at all and Razor has been just as bad, acting like Rylan's thug sidekick.

Emma did quite well at pulling Tricia up on a few things she was totally contradicting herself on too. Tricia was lost for words a few times. She had a lot more to say about Speidi once they weren't there to defend themselves. It's only to be expected with a nobody like Tricia though!

Even if Speidi don't win (which sadly i don't think they will) i'd love their final triumph to be them outlasting Razor. I think Razor sees himself as a possible outright winner and if not then he'll be expecting to come second after Rylan at the very least. I think he's in for a shock !

Well thought out post nicely put across, I don't think they have been bullied though, they have taken everthing that has been dished out on the chin, and laughed it off, unlike Rylan and Razor they have not let the house get under their skin.

[rocket]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Oh please not another bully thread, its getting boring. If you are thinking Speidi are being bullied then I am afraid you must have a white stick and a big fliffy dog.

Spot on...!!!!
Totally agree !!!
Speidi supporters are getting desperate..!!!

[smeagol]

they made them selves outcasts. lets not ride the silly train lol. no one has been bullied
there is no victims in that war just casualties of ego lol

[Patricia4]

Karl they are my favorite's too they have carried this show and no I dont think anyone's been bullied.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by smeagol

they made them selves outcasts. lets not ride the silly train lol. no one has been bullied
there is no victims in that war just casualties of ego lol

This

[optimisticcynic]

Heidi and Spencer have said they hate all their housemates. their housemates can react to this by either sucking up and hoping they change their minds, or writing them off and carrying on. Not bullying at all. Rude, ignorant, selfish and vindictive behaviour is not endearing and has consequences.
it's intriguing how since day 1, heidi and spencer have realised that an awkward, hostile environment is one in which they can shine and monpolise airtime as it makes others shut down, for fear of coming across negatively if they let loose. This immediaely makes people boring or villains, and Heidi and Spencer are welll-versed at this. This is why since Day 1 they have encouraged factions, going on about "us and them" when in the basement, encouraging the basement guys to not do tasks that would help the people upstairs, warning Lacey against "jealous" older female housemates and turning people against Ryan over lettergate. This all makes conflict the theme of big brother, which they make sure they are central to. There have clearly been a fair few positive, fun in-jokes and moments with other housemates that have thus not fitted into the edited cut. Rylan, seeking the limelight, has tried to take them on and just looks an idiot, not a bully. They are much more intersting villains than he is a hero.

[Me. I Am Salman]

They're not being bullied but they're absolutely 100% being targeted

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by JH95

They were made to feel unwanted because they done the same with the HM's in the first place. It's like people think that they are both sinless angels, when infact they give as good as they get.

they did nothing in the first place except segregate themselves, which does not warrant bitching, lying and throwing personal insults which those crappy bores did for most of the day.

[thesheriff443]

take this as fact!
all you speidi supporter's, in the real world speidi would not p*ss on you lot if you where burning!.

rylan and speidi have been drama queen's, the wanker's are the producer's for giving us a crap line up yet again.

[Gillian-73]

They haven't been bullied!

[Josy]

This bullying stuff is just absolute bull****.

[Skumbag]

Originally Posted by The Penguin

Liam on BBOTS and the audience there agreed.

Speidi were being marginalised and made to feel like unwanted. That's a form of psychological bullying. That's why Spencer said he empathises with minorities now.

That's also why Tricia had to say "we're not bad people" before giving them pillows. She felt guilty because she had reason to feel guilty. She as good as admitted it with that comment.

Only people who hate Speidi would deny that they were being bullied or try and trivialise it. Most reasonable people would aknowledge it.

Lovely post.
Top Penguin dude.
You have a kind heart.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Salman!

they did nothing in the first place except segregate themselves, which does not warrant bitching, lying and throwing personal insults which those crappy bores did for most of the day.

Oh ok, so its wrong for everyone to bitch but with Speidi it's fine?