[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No Left wingers call it that

Its a Benefit Stop.


"villages could be erected reasonably cheaply now "
Yes I agree 100%.

Housing can be built fast nowdays
and also why did New Labour not Build
them in their massive long 13 years

Why why why....Z.
We can ask why untill the cows come home, I have no answers for that and now is not the time for a retrospective.
Is this the most proactive thing our government could have come up with in these times of economic malaise?
Whether or not you or anyone agrees with the term bedroom tax this is what it equates to.
The government have now offloaded the responsibility for council tax onto local council now, so there is added pressure there for areas with a high level of benefit claimants to recoup funds any which way they can.
They are not therefore going to be as sympathetic to the needs of their communities as they need the money to ensure the maintainance of essential frontline services... in essence, we are screwed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its called that in the right wing rags too. Its just wording.

Apparently its proper name is 'the spare room subsidy'. According to Cameron.

But who cares what people call it, whatever its name..it is unfair and has not been thought through well at all...

Vicky it will take some time for medical people/homes
to sort their extra room to stay as it is.
But they are working to get it right.

And Half of Labour and Conservative Workers
agree with this as every room is needed.

For Example, my bunker is private
No council involved
I work Hard. Pay my Taxes

[arista]

"in essence, we are screwed. "


Yes Kizzy,
some in Council homes may be.

But they are better here than in Cyprus.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Vicky it will take some time for medical people/homes
to sort their extra room to stay as it is.
But they are working to get it right.

And Half of Labour and Conservative Workers
agree with this as every room is needed.

For Example, my bunker is private
No council involved
I work Hard. Pay my Taxes

Bollocks.

I dont care how many labour or tory MPs agree with anything.

The simple fact is, there arent enough smaller places for everyone who is 'underoccupying' to move to. Its unfair, and I really dont see how anyone can claim otherwise. Councils all over the UK have confirmed that the smaller properties arent available. So it is impossible to downsize, but you have your benefits cut anyway.

The government shouldn't have the powers to just turf people out of their homes. The people in that housing were placed in there by government workers to begin with, it's not like they're squatters. Those tenants that signed agreements and have kept up there payments, then the government should leave them alone. Tenants that are in serious arrears could be given the opportunity to move out for a debt reduction plan. That might be beneficial to all parties.


The government need to leave people alone, start collecting taxes at the top end, and ****** off.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"in essence, we are screwed. "


Yes Kizzy,
some in Council homes may be.

But they are better here than in Cyprus.

If you and I know it those who are implementing these changes will too.
We are not in Cyprus we are in the UK.

It is a very old tory ideology cut those less fortunate adrift, as a society we are backpeddling.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Bollocks.

I dont care how many labour or tory MPs agree with anything.

The simple fact is, there arent enough smaller places for everyone who is 'underoccupying' to move to. Its unfair, and I really dont see how anyone can claim otherwise. Councils all over the UK have confirmed that the smaller properties arent available. So it is impossible to downsize, but you have your benefits cut anyway.

Yes It is.
And the Next 10 years will be worse.

Its Good You are Alive Vicky
as I know you are Tough

Originally Posted by arista

Yes It is.
And the Next 10 years will be worse.

Its Good You are Alive Vicky
as I know you are Tough

They don't have to be Arista. This is purely manufactured. Invest in jobs, communities and infrastructure, and the country will grow and move. Cut, cut, cut, and the country will suffer.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you and I know it those who are implementing these changes will too.
We are not in Cyprus we are in the UK.

It is a very old tory ideology cut those less fortunate adrift, as a society we are backpeddling.

Yes you can say that.

But Times Are Hard

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

They don't have to be Arista. This is purely manufactured. Invest in jobs, communities and infrastructure, and the country will grow and move. Cut, cut, cut, and the country will suffer.

Yes The Infrastructure is not fast enough
HS2 is not until after the election

Originally Posted by arista

Yes The Infrastructure is not fast enough
HS2 is not until after the election

I'm talking about infrastructure programs like repairing roads, bridges, motorways etc. These are all necessary as the roads are a mess these days. Loads of time is spent avoiding pot holes.

This could be done tomorrow and will get people back into work, more tax revenue being paid, that money going in to local businesses, directly affecting local communities.

At some point you need to understand this fact, and not keep ignoring it.

[Kizzy]

Invest in communities, build .. grow. There is room for social and private housing and free schools now mean the pressure is off LA's to provide.
Money is cascading into holes and the pockets of oiligarchs.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

They don't have to be Arista. This is purely manufactured. Invest in jobs, communities and infrastructure, and the country will grow and move. Cut, cut, cut, and the country will suffer.

This^

Cutting away from those at the very bottom might please the people who think all unemployed are scroungers...but it will do nothing at all to help the massive debts that our country is in. Nor will it reduce our outgoings significantly enough to justify causing so much misery.

We could lower the housing benefit bill by building more social housing. That way less money goes to greedy buy to let landlords who charge extortionate rents, which in turn are picked up by the taxpayer as people cant afford to pay them. Yes, building more properties would cost more now, but in the long run it would save a hell of a lot. Also rent caps would be a good idea.

Unemployment benefits..well this is kind of obvious. The unemplyoment bill wont drop until there are enough jobs out there for people to take. Unfortunately though, there will never ever be 100% employment.

A massive proportion of the bill goes to people IN work. This is a problem that definitely needs to be addressed.

I could go on, but I fear its wasted. As people who have their heads so far in the sand that they believe this bull**** about helping the economy by taking away from the poorest, are beyond help really.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I'm talking about infrastructure programs like repairing roads, bridges, motorways etc. These are all necessary as the roads are a mess these days. Loads of time is spent avoiding pot holes.

This could be done tomorrow and will get people back into work, more tax revenue being paid, that money going in to local businesses, directly affecting local communities.

At some point you need to understand this fact, and not keep ignoring it.

Yes I know what you mean.
I ignore nothing.

I can work at anything.


Its On Ch5HD News now

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Invest in communities, build .. grow. There is room for social and private housing and free schools now mean the pressure is off LA's to provide.
Money is cascading into holes and the pockets of oiligarchs.

Yes Kizzy Great Points

[Jack_]

Iain Duncan Smith thinks he could live on Ł53 a week. I'd like to see the ****** try.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...e-on-53-a-week

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Iain Duncan Smith thinks he could live on Ł53 a week. I'd like to see the ****** try.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...e-on-53-a-week

I dont think he realises that to do it properly, he would be stripped of his expenses account.

No more Ł30 breakfasts charged to the taxpayer

Originally Posted by Jack_

Iain Duncan Smith thinks he could live on Ł53 a week. I'd like to see the ****** try.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...e-on-53-a-week

Do you know where Ian Duncan-Smith lives? He married into aristocracy, and lives in a multi million pound estate, at no cost.

[Kizzy]

Ignorant arrogant patronising ministers, my god as Alan Partridge would say 'this country!'

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Iain Duncan Smith thinks he could live on Ł53 a week. I'd like to see the ****** try.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...e-on-53-a-week

He could
he would have to buy Sell By date food

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ignorant arrogant patronising ministers, my god as Alan Partridge would say 'this country!'

We need him back
perfect time for him.

[waterhog]

bedroom tax day 1 - 01.04.13

i am fearing,
my heart dose bleed,
a back lash is gearing,
i hope rioting will not lead.
pure conservative pollution,
they have the foot on the clutch,
peace is not a solution,
because they are so out of touch.
people will struggle,
at first it will scrape,
don't be fooled by the snuggle,
us they are going to rape.
all millionaires on panel,
nowhere near the minimum wage,
pure deceit and lies is the channel,
this will be the inner rage.
Labour never provided,
no social housing built was a flaw,
now we have joined the "European Union",
not forgetting Labours "immigration" and the open door.
circumstances will change,
kids have left home and grown,
this new "tax" will derange,
depression in this trap will clone.
lets get together everyone,
"march's protests to the max,
because until we make the final "call",
only the start is "bedroom tax".

( i would like to make clear in-case i am accused of provoking the situation that i feel we all need to get together and march and protest and stand outside parliament on a mass scale and keep doing it until they are forced to back down on this policy. the reason we have no housing is because 15 years or around that number of labour and no building took place, also with a open door on people coming to this country which puts a massive strain anyway on the resources we have. i believe these 2 reasons have landed us in the pickle we are in now. to fix the problem we need to 1. build more housing. 2. only put people from this country in them and get lower the lists of people allowed to to enter this country to fix the problem. the sole reason for the government to introduce this is to 1. stop them having to build more housing and 2. to have rich and poorer areas. i hope people can wake up to this and see it is not right in how the government is treating us for something we never caused.)

[arista]

"i am fearing,
my heart dose bleed,
a back lash is gearing,"


No Waterhog

Working Labour Voters back this

Times are Hard

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

"i am fearing,
my heart dose bleed,
a back lash is gearing,"


No Waterhog

Working Labour VoterS back this

Times are Hard

Many of those getting hit by this ARE working.

[Kizzy]

It is noting to do with working labour voters arista, by this do you mean sun readers?..
It is about seeing the bigger picture here, seeing what happened before and learning from it, being proactive ... the diluting of inner cities to other areas will happen now but in a chaotic fashion.