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Ammi · 11-04-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

..well, we do all remember the London riots Jack and that lives were lost and businesses were burned and people lost their livelihoods..let's hope that doesn't happen but a riot isn;t a controlled situation and maybe it won't just be the Government who 'get something that's coming to them'...and any victims will be innocent...these things solve nothing and only make people as bad as the cause they think they're protesting against.....

joeysteele · 11-04-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

I think you have hit on a strong point there Jack.
For instance, my Dad has been a lifelong Conservative and strong supporter of Margaret Thatcher in her time.
However,he is stunned at this funding of her funeral in any way at all by the taxpayer.
He obviously won't riot, (I am trying to picture that actually

), he has said though the whole thing is way over the top and nothing at all should come from taxpayers as to this funeral.
I am sure there will be many that think like him on that too.

Apple202 · 11-04-2013, 11:14 PM

the whole campaign is completely pathetic and disgusting.. the fact it's #1 on our itunes right now makes me feel ashamed to be british

InOne · 11-04-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Apple202

the whole campaign is completely pathetic and disgusting.. the fact it's #1 on our itunes right now makes me feel ashamed to be british

Maybe everyone just remembered how much they liked the song

Apple202 · 11-04-2013, 11:21 PM

Cherie · 12-04-2013, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....

how exactly are they blameless, they could have carried out her funeral in private, they didn't need to go along with this circus and get all police leave cancelled due to the risk of protest, and injury, they didn't need to spend 10 million on a funeral, most folk are cremated/buried for a few grand, they didn't need to ask Shirley Bassey, Lloyd Webber, Jeremy Clarkson, the Queen, et al to attend the service as I understand it Margaret Thather asked not to be considered to have a state funeral, so I'm pretty sure she didn't want the next rung down, so who exactly is it that wants this charade? and what is the point of it all? pretty sure we wouldn't have this at No.1 if details for her funeral weren't in our face ever news bulletin.

Kizzy · 12-04-2013, 12:31 AM

when is it the right time to vent your spleen?
Society is at the moment one big champagne bottle of disappointment, disillusionment and frustration. She symbolised an 'every man for himself' ethos, I don't think this is all for maggies benefit but the whole conservative government.

Locke. · 12-04-2013, 12:44 AM

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Kizzy · 12-04-2013, 12:56 AM

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DigitalSid · 12-04-2013, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sawyer

The lady is dead for god sake, people need to show some respect for someone who was willing to spearhead this country through the toughest depression the country had seen at the time -- when no one else was willing to. She had balls, determination and wasn't afraid to make the tough decisions, something which this country is severely lacking now with the likes of Cameron and his pet monkey.

Rest in peace Margaret, rest assured, there are some level people in the world that actually do appreciate the work you did for us.

Didn't have you down as a closet Tory boy Sawyer.

Those condemning this, however petty it may be, clearly have no real knowledge of the actual legacy of that vile fascist's reign, she knowingly and systematically destroyed the North of England and South Wales to score party political points, she caused the new bedroom tax by selling off our council houses with no intention to replace them, she dismantled our countries industries and created today's huge gap between the poor and the wealthy, she introduced homophobic law and she spoke out against feminism, she ordered the killing of 300 innocent Argentinians and she actively supported racial apartheid in South Africa. My condolences to her family (except her convict son and racist daughter), but as for Thatcher herself, good riddance.

arista · 12-04-2013, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Salman!

Radio 1 will never play it

You have not got a Glue

Radio 1
will play it

Ammi · 12-04-2013, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

how exactly are they blameless, they could have carried out her funeral in private, they didn't need to go along with this circus and get all police leave cancelled due to the risk of protest, and injury, they didn't need to spend 10 million on a funeral, most folk are cremated/buried for a few grand, they didn't need to ask Shirley Bassey, Lloyd Webber, Jeremy Clarkson, the Queen, et al to attend the service as I understand it Margaret Thather asked not to be considered to have a state funeral, so I'm pretty sure she didn't want the next rung down, so who exactly is it that wants this charade? and what is the point of it all? pretty sure we wouldn't have this at No.1 if details for her funeral weren't in our face ever news bulletin.

..I have no idea who made the decisions for the funeral..her family..?..the monarchy..?..parliament..?...who knows..I don't, but I won't assume that it was her children/grandchildren..or that they were left with any final decisions..and all the public glee at her death started before any funeral arrangements were announced, so really I don't think that is the reason for the number 1 position for the song.....

...but hey ho, people can chant ding dong merrily on high, the witch has gone as much as they want if it makes them feel better to do so...but it doesn't change anything and has no effect on Margaret Thatcher or the past whatsoever...but whatever floats their boat, I guess...maybe there'll be protests...maybe there'll be riots..maybe people will get hurt..loss of lives..maybe damage to properties/businesses...who knows...maybe it'll all just calm and pass peacefully...so long as the public feel as though they've had their 'pound of flesh'/last say..whatever they feel the need for..I guess it's just a shame the person it's directed at won't be around to appreciate it all....

Shaun · 12-04-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DigitalSid

Those condemning this, however petty it may be, clearly have no real knowledge of the actual legacy of that vile fascist's reign

on what grounds do you draw that assumption? Are only supporters of Thatcher allowed to protest to the charts on grounds of dignity now?

12-04-2013, 07:40 AM

Her children aren't going to be listening to the chart show on Sunday with their fingers crossed as the countdown to number one takes place, regardless of what people think. Grief is a private emotion that we all need to confront and deal with in our own way. When loss has hit me, I wouldn't be able to tell you what is on TV or radio, and I highly doubt her children will either.

She was such a divisive figure, and remains the figurehead for mountains of unnecessary suffering in this country, where families were forced into conflict with each other, communities devastated, and parts of the country were left to rot.

It's quite right that people are allowed to celebrate her death. To many, she wasn't a prime minister in the true sense of the word, she was responsible for launching attacks on her own people, yet all of us westerners love it when middle-eastern despots get taken out by their people.

I hate displays of Diana faux grief, but I won't be purchasing the song. Will the world miss her? Absolutely not, if anything, her memory will hopefully awaken the political slumber in lots of people as we allow another batch of right-wing social engineering to take place in our own generation.

Thatcher used her freedom of speech to crush her opponents in life, let the people she bullied return that compliment in her death, and the fact she's not around to see it is neither here nor there. She knew full well how people felt about her.

So what if a few protesters smash up a couple of shops? That was just a regular night out for the Bullingdon club, and they now run the country. When people appealed to her in life to show a sense of decency, she ignored their pleas.

arista · 12-04-2013, 07:43 AM

"Her children aren't going to be listening to the chart show"

Very True JHC

joeysteele · 12-04-2013, 07:54 AM

I wish this song had not been able to get to the charts but since it is, then it should be played.
There is absolutely no reason why the BBC need to give any explanation of why it is in the charts,all they need to do is play it for a week,2 at the most likely.
The attention drawn to it because of the should it be played/not be played debate has only increased the attention afforded to it.

It is unfortunate, however there are very strong feelings as to Margaret Thatcher and I don't get why people who have massive and justified grievances as to her from her time as PM have to either shut up completely or join in the 'wasn't she a near Saint brigade'.
Personally, I have no issues with her myself, I wasn't even born in the year she was stabbed cruelly in the back politically by her so called friends and Conservative colleagues.

I am sad for her family that she has died and for their loss, however both the Thatchers have showed scant regard for the British, I don't feel any kind of distant endearment towards them like I do others in public life.
I find Carol Thatcher particularly very annoying myself,that will be of no concern to them what I really think anyway.

All I will now say, is if I knew my Mother,like their Mother had stated,that she wanted no fuss as to her funeral,(as there wasn't for Dennis Thatcher their Dad),then no matter the status of my Mother, I would be fighting tooth and nail to give her the funeral she stated.
I would not either in any form whatsoever allow any party political hijacking of the funeral.
More importantly and most certainly though I would refuse and never accept any public funding in any way to be put in place for the funeral too.

Why should it be that people are expected to be treading on eggshells where Margaret Thatcher is concerned.
That is as wrong as most of the false and 2 faced tributes that have been flowing over recent days, many from the people who helped to utterly destroy her as PM too,some of whom actually carried out the act too.

Respect the dead by all means but stop re-writing history as to what someone was and did when they were alive.

Cherie · 12-04-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..I have no idea who made the decisions for the funeral..her family..?..the monarchy..?..parliament..?...who knows..I don't, but I won't assume that it was her children/grandchildren..or that they were left with any final decisions..and all the public glee at her death started before any funeral arrangements were announced, so really I don't think that is the reason for the number 1 position for the song.....

...but hey ho, people can chant ding dong merrily on high, the witch has gone as much as they want if it makes them feel better to do so...but it doesn't change anything and has no effect on Margaret Thatcher or the past whatsoever...but whatever floats their boat, I guess...maybe there'll be protests...maybe there'll be riots..maybe people will get hurt..loss of lives..maybe damage to properties/businesses...who knows...maybe it'll all just calm and pass peacefully...so long as the public feel as though they've had their 'pound of flesh'/last say..whatever they feel the need for..I guess it's just a shame the person it's directed at won't be around to appreciate it all....

No we don't we haven't been told who is the driving force behind this unnecessary charade, as you pointed out MT won't care so why is all this money being spent, why is our overstretched police force being put in the firing line, why will we have to put up with 3 hours of coverage on a channel that the public fund. Why have tax payers to contribute to the cost. People have to show their feelings in some way, apathy is a way of life now, if it the only way people can protest then it's not so bad. The words tasteless, and unclassy have been bandied around well I would apply those words to the funeral as well. No need for any of it.

Marc · 12-04-2013, 10:20 AM

This is pretty sick tbh

DigitalSid · 12-04-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

on what grounds do you draw that assumption? Are only supporters of Thatcher allowed to protest to the charts on grounds of dignity now?

To phrase what I meant better, those condemning those behind this. I don't disagree that it's distasteful, but when millions of people have seen whole generations of their family made jobless and die penniless by her, when people have seen their towns go from prosperous industrial hubs to derelict congregations of sink estates in less than a decade, purely to get one over on the trade unions, it's *incredibly* hard for them to feel sympathy for the woman who showed no sympathy at all for them and not, however undignified it may be, revel in her own misfortune. This woman who made the poor impoverished (the South Wales valleys never recovered from her and probably never will, knowing what just 35 years ago it was like up there then seeing it now, it's truly depressing) died in the Ritz hotel for god's sake.