[arista]

Originally Posted by wannashag

But that's not true, i got infracted for speaking my mind.

but you broke a Rule.
Thats down to you.

[the truth]

thatcher and blair were a disgrace, poor old brown never had the chance but he was right about growing your way out of a recession, major was a bit incompetent. but njowhere near as ruthless (and bad taste in women lol)

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

And that includes me.

your endless exaggerated indignation offends me. the fact you selectively choose to ignore the real important aspects of posts also offends me. the millions of detsroyed lives and decimated communities youve barely said a word about. very offensive

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

but you broke a Rule.
Thats down to you.

I agree, i broke a rule, and i'm happy to take the infraction.
but it doesn't alter the fact that at that time i was speaking my mind, so it proves that you can't totally speak your mind.

[Vicky.]

[Speak your mind but do not insult other members] Is a bit too long to be added to the title I think

[joeysteele]

One thing is for certain, in life Margaret Thatcher got people talking as to her and politics all through her active time as PM.
Now in death, people are doing so again with as strong views as they had when she was alive and PM.

I actually think Margaret Thatcher would be proud of that and only be sorry she cannot join in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

One thing is for certain, in life Margaret Thatcher got people talking as to her and politics all through her active time as PM.
Now in death, people are doing so again with as strong views as they had when she was alive and PM.

I actually think Margaret Thatcher would be proud of that and only be sorry she cannot join in.

I respect your opinion here. thatcher was a massively divisive figure, but I get more wound up by the fact the mainstream media are soooo complacent in the way they analyse her so called achievements....also the way the coverage has been so predictably elitist. the BBC has again not displayed enough balance and equanimity imho.....interviewing 2 knighted friends for 15 minutes on bbc news? whats the point.....at one point the 2 sirs were competiting for who could extoll the most absurdly OTT eulogy....embarasing and value-less

[Kizzy]

We all need to be respectful of each others views that's a given

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

One thing is for certain, in life Margaret Thatcher got people talking as to her and politics all through her active time as PM.
Now in death, people are doing so again with as strong views as they had when she was alive and PM.

I actually think Margaret Thatcher would be proud of that and only be sorry she cannot join in.

Yes Joey
thats true
Even New Labour is part of this Legacy.

Ref: QT BBC1 last night

[lime]

At home in South Africa she was a goddess amongst the white's during apartheid ,the AWB worshiped her.
She would have been a hyprocrite to chastise the apartheid goverment on imprisoning people without trial whilst she was doing the same in Northern Ireland.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lime

At home in South Africa she was a goddess amongst the white's during apartheid ,the AWB worshiped her.
She would have been a hyprocrite to chastise the apartheid goverment on imprisoning people without trial whilst she was doing the same in Northern Ireland.

Yes but back 30years it was nothing like today.

Labours M. Foot leader wanted to get out of Europe

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but back 30years it was nothing like today.

Labours M. Foot leader wanted to get out of Europe

Now the Conservatives,or at least a large proportion of them do,unlike then.
Maybe Foot was ahead of his time.
Had it been done in his time, there would have been less to walk away from as to Europe and less cost to do so too.

[Nedusa]

More and more revelations regarding the actions of this lady are being posted on this website, and taken together paints a pretty awful picture of a selfish, greedy, bullying woman who had the smell of snobbery, hypocrisy, fascism and elitism about her.

Not the wonderful caring strong leader a lot of people are led to believe...!!

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

More and more revelations regarding the actions of this lady are being posted on this website, and taken together paints a pretty awful picture of a selfish, greedy, bullying woman who had the smell of snobbery, hypocrisy, fascism and elitism about her.

Not the wonderful caring strong leader a lot of people are led to believe...!!

She was of her time

You can not judge the past by the present.

The conditions in the 1970's lead to her rise and then her fall was precipitated by those who were moral cowards, wanting to save their own political skins.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Sticks

She was of her time

You can not judge the past by the present.

The conditions in the 1970's lead to her rise and then her fall was precipitated by those who were moral cowards, wanting to save their own political skins.

we are not doing that, we are judging her in contet of her time and she was a disgrace

Leaders should not be judged in context of the times because real leaders change times. We're not talking thousands of years ago.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Now the Conservatives,or at least a large proportion of them do,unlike then.
Maybe Foot was ahead of his time.
Had it been done in his time, there would have been less to walk away from as to Europe and less cost to do so too.

No as Europe in 1983 was nothing like now
And Thatcher brought in City Worldwide trading,
something Foot and his Unions did not want.

Also Thatcher sorted Europe out.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No as Europe in 1983 was nothing like now
And Thatcher brought in City Worldwide trading,
something Foot and his Unions did not want.

Also Thatcher sorted Europe out.

She didn't, she got a rebate and fought the UKs corner being fair to her but far from sorted it out and then John Major signed the Maastricht treaty after her too.
If anything, around 1985 onwards was the time the EU started to plan and grow into more than maybe it should have been.
Had Foot had his way we wouldn't have been having all these arguments as to Europe over tha last 2 decades or so.

I think he was wrong, I would support staying in the EU but he was possibly just a few years too early.

Just as now, the Conservatives now are likely too late,despite David Cameron's huff and puff,no way will he hold a referendum that he thinks will get a no vote as to Europe.
No way at all.
I don't believe he has any real intention of delivering that referendum unless he was sure support had turned as to being in favour of staying in.

[the truth]

europe is one of the few things she did get right. the whole damn project is an unaccountable wasteful orwellian nightmare

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by the truth

we are not doing that, we are judging her in contet of her time and she was a disgrace

In which case you need to look at the times of the late 1970's with wildcat strikes causing overseas companies not to invest in the UK. Coal that was more expensive to mine than to import making British goods uncompetitive.

You also have to consider a union leader who refused conduct a ballot before calling a strike.

You also have to consider the state of the then labour party, and how under Michael Foot it came up with an election manifesto that was described by a labour grandee as the longest suicide note in history

It was the events of those times that would lead to her election as Prime Minister in 1979 and win her two successive general elections.

If she was that unpopular why did people vote for her?

Thereby lies the paradox that was Margaret Thatcher

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Sticks

In which case you need to look at the times of the late 1970's with wildcat strikes causing overseas companies not to invest in the UK. Coal that was more expensive to mine than to import making British goods uncompetitive.

You also have to consider a union leader who refused conduct a ballot before calling a strike.

You also have to consider the state of the then labour party, and how under Michael Foot it came up with an election manifesto that was described by a labour grandee as the longest suicide note in history

It was the events of those times that would lead to her election as Prime Minister in 1979 and win her two successive general elections.

If she was that unpopular why did people vote for her?

Thereby lies the paradox that was Margaret Thatcher

gee thanks lol............I assure you ive done all that i LIVED THROUGH IT A;LL as did my friends and families...........she was a disgrace. she went way way over the top and found zero balance..showed no empathy for any of her many victims..........she treated her fellow country men as the enemy.

she got in the way hitler got in, simply by th efact the nation was on its knees and anyone pointing to a better tomorrow woud have defeated labour in 1979.........her short term strategies meant people gave her another chance to get our economy on track.....worzel gummidge would have won the 79 election.......lower taxes on the rich from 88%, get inflation down over a few years.......the rest a disaster

she literally did only 1 thing right and thats europe........the rest was a disastrous elitist nightmare

[Jack_]

Youtube video

Knew she'd said this and know a bit about Section 28 but didn't know there was a video of the speech. Vile. And people wonder why that song is being downloaded by some...

[Redway]

I have to agree that was a pretty nasty speech to be fair.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Knew she'd said this and know a bit about Section 28 but didn't know there was a video of the speech. Vile. And people wonder why that song is being downloaded by some...

So What Jack
thats 30 years ago.


What about Labour 30 years ago
Fecking Same

[Tom4784]

She's dead, I just do not see the point in hating on her anymore. It will only hurt her family because nothing can hurt her now.

Save your hate for the living, there's plenty of despicable people still alive and kicking.