[Locke.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

"When Margaret Thatcher dies"?

Did the scousers not get the memo? She is dead.

Months ago

[Marsh.]

It seems humour is lost on some people.

[Brother Leon]

Silly scousers always behind when it comes to current events.

[Jack_]

Just finished watching a great documentary on the miners strike of 1984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ubgig29l4k

Really highlights some of the appalling police brutality and it is so depressing to witness working class people turning on other working class people oh, and just when I thought I couldn't despise Kelvin MacKenzie anymore, he appears in this, and his contributions are truly repulsive. What an odious ******.

[Kizzy]

It is and notable is the change in title when there is a conservative government from a police 'service' to a police 'force'...
Divide and conquer has always been the motive behind their policies as far as I'm concerned.
Funny how the onus is the watering down of her influence on the now diseased face of the UK.

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell

[lime]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but back 30years it was nothing like today.

Labours M. Foot leader wanted to get out of Europe

I am fully aware how long ago this took place arista.As I have already mentioned I am South African and probably should have mentioned I don't live in the UK so I have no idea who M.Foot is or his relevance to this thread.

Was there any other right winged bigots in that era??..absolutely .
But as this thread is about Margaret Thatcher I will stick to talking about this particular bigot.

[Sticks]

The use of a certain song from a 1930's film has upset those who took part in the film

See here

Do these left wing people realise the hurt they have done to those who took part in the creation of this movie who are still with us?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The use of a certain song from a 1930's film has upset those who took part in the film

See here

Do these left wing people realise the hurt they have done to those who took part in the creation of this movie who are still with us?

No Jack does not care

[arista]

Originally Posted by lime

I am fully aware how long ago this took place arista.As I have already mentioned I am South African and probably should have mentioned I don't live in the UK so I have no idea who M.Foot is or his relevance to this thread.

Was there any other right winged bigots in that era??..absolutely .
But as this thread is about Margaret Thatcher I will stick to talking about this particular bigot.

Labours (Union backed) Michael Foot
was in power until Oct 1983
so he is important to bring him up
as Thatcher Won that '83 Election.

Originally Posted by Sticks

The use of a certain song from a 1930's film has upset those who took part in the film

DON'T BUY THE SUN

Do these left wing people realise the hurt they have done to those who took part in the creation of this movie who are still with us?

What next? A seance with the tin man? I'm pretty sure the hurt felt by these actors isn't comparable with people who lost everything because of MT's policies.

This has to be the weakest excuse yet.

[lostalex]

Let's all look on the bright side. At least no British person can ever say that they have a more civilized, less polarized democracy than the US. If we've learned nothing else at least we've learned this.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

The protest tomorrow/today was arranged 20+ years ago wasnt it?

The feelings of resentment these people have about her and her policies are so strong that they wont disappear immediately just because she's died and I'm pretty sure all the praise she's been receiving in the media these past few days will be making it even worse, so they are no doubt using these protests as a means of releasing it all.

This outpouring of all the tributes from people,many who actually were glad to see the back of her but who are now going on as if she was a paragon of virtue and a near Saint.
They are by far as sickening as anyone who has stuck to their principles and the feelings they have that she was a woman not to be particularly honoured.

Why should peoples opinions have to change,when they have likely learned of and even seen the devastation brought to their communities and families from her time in power.

I have said, I have nothing against her but I am already sick of this gushing of what I see as false sentiment from loads of clearly 2 faced people who at the first opportunity when she was alive, destroyed all her hopes and all she still hoped to do herself in politics.
What sheer hypocrisy.

I think I have more admiration for those who have stood by their principles that didn't like her.
Why on earth should they have to shut up while this artificial kind of canonisation takes place as to her.

She was a strongly divisive figure, she loved creating and dealing with confrontation it seems, now she has died,taht division remains.
Of course respect the dead but this funeral and all that has gone on this week, even the recall of Parliament is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, as is taxpayers sharing any costs of her funeral.
It is as if attempts to brainwash everyone into believing the Woman was a Saint is taking place.

I just find this whole preparation and the events of the PM rushing back from Europe, spending more time in the commons than he likely has done before for her 'tribute day' nauseating.

I could have understood it more had she still been a serving PM or just retired,no sorry that should be just been sacked by her party.
However, after over 20 years on from being PM, for goodness sake, this is ridiculous and even more so in these economic times.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's all look on the bright side. At least no British person can ever say that they have a more civilized, less polarized democracy than the US. If we've learned nothing else at least we've learned this.

Democracy by it's very nature is polarised, but the right polarise on magic thinking like trickle down economics being a viable and workable plan, and climate change is a UN, Soros, and Michael Moore conspiracy.

That's the difference. The stupidity that America has in it's governing bodies is unsurpassed by anyone else in the first world.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Democracy by it's very nature is polarised, but the right polarise on magic thinking like trickle down economics being a viable and workable plan, and climate change is a UN, Soros, and Michael Moore conspiracy.

That's the difference. The stupidity that America has in it's governing bodies is unsurpassed by anyone else in the first world.

Well that's not true, because America's governing bodies are less stupid than those in the UK.

[thesheriff443]

we are still on this subject on page 26!
you cant change the past!, put your energy into trying to change the future.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

we are still on this subject on page 26!
you cant change the past!, put your energy into trying to change the future.

Unless you learn from history, you're doomed to continue making the same mistakes over and over again.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well that's not true, because America's governing bodies are less stupid than those in the UK.

Bachmann, Inhoe, Ryan, Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Graham, Cruz, Perry, West, Palin, Cantor, Walker to name but a few. All well versed in magical and insane thinking.

[arista]

I bought the Sun today

JHC can get stuffed

[Ammi]

..I don’t think I’ve challenged any political views in terms of Margaret Thatcher and do appreciate some of the passion involved in people’s opinions of her personally, if either they themselves or loved ones etc, have suffered huge losses in her time in power...(and I’m not just specifically talking about this forum..)...but I do find the strength of feeling towards her death/funeral etc , which I think in some cases could be described as hatred...is not only distasteful/pointless etc but what worries me is that even if the planned protests go without adverse incident.. damage to innocents property/injuries/loss of lives ..is that the feelings which have ‘united’ the nation with negativity and hatred won’t disappear because the country is still in deep recession and those negative feelings will continue as I honestly don’t see that the feelings are going to be satisfied or find any sense of ‘closure’ etc...because there is no closure to be had with this...

..and for me, I feel quite saddened by it all because it’s a bit like watching a crowd chanting for a public hanging..I know that’s not the same thing but it’s how it feels..she’s dead, nothing is going to change either that or whatever has happened in the past and all of this hatred only aims to hurt the innocent...we have far too many things wrong with the country in the present to use our energy on and it’s pointless arguing whether that’s her ‘legacy’ as well or not because that will neither change them or solve them...

...and this is not some Dictator that ruled a country until their death and caused celebration from an oppressed nation..she hasn't been in power for many years and all of those years could have been used to vent this hatred/anger..whether she took any notice or not, at least she would have heard it..but now it's her loved ones who hear it and at a time when they are suffering great personal grief....and whatever people feel her legacy is, it still remains and is unchanged....

Originally Posted by arista

Youtube video

JHC can get stuffed

I expect nothing else from you Arista. It actually suits you.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well that's not true, because America's governing bodies are less stupid than those in the UK.

Your bait has gone stale Alex you might want to try changing it nobody is biting due to it being so repetitively anti UK it just gets boring after the first 5000 times.

[arista]

Dominic Francis has organised
a demonstration on the
Baroness Thatcher funeral route




[Mastermind behind plans to disrupt Thatcher
funeral is Oxford student whose
parents live in £700,000 house in Tunbridge Wells
25-year-old Dominic Francis
studies at Oxford's Rushkin College
Fanatics plan to 'celebrate' Iron Lady's
death in Central London today
If people do break the law they will be
properly dealt with,' Mayor said
Police preparing for planned protest
in Trafalgar Square tonight
Members of Durham Miners' Association
among those taking part]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dge-Wells.html



Demo today
Pain in the ass

[Kizzy]

Yes she is dead and as she was the public face of capitalism, wrath and avarice...
The people of the UK are resilient many have put up and shut up for years, 'what purpose will it serve?' It will serve to show there is such a thing as society, community, and humanity still alive today. More homogenised than before but with a determination and resolve that was once seen as a positive trait in this country.

Originally Posted by arista

Dominic Francis has organised
a demonstration on the
Baroness Thatcher funeral route




[Mastermind behind plans to disrupt Thatcher
funeral is Oxford student whose
parents live in £700,000 house in Tunbridge Wells
25-year-old Dominic Francis
studies at Oxford's Rushkin College
Fanatics plan to 'celebrate' Iron Lady's
death in Central London today
If people do break the law they will be
properly dealt with,' Mayor said
Police preparing for planned protest
in Trafalgar Square tonight
Members of Durham Miners' Association
among those taking part]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dge-Wells.html



Demo today
Pain in the ass

What does the wealth of his parents have to do with anything? Only poor people can promote the cause of the poor?

[Tom4784]

I think the only thing it shows is that there's a lot of bitter, pitiful and rather pathetic people around. The protest will achieve nothing but hurt an already grieving family, There's no honour in it at all, it's just incredibly petty and cruel.