[lostalex]

I don't even rank Will or Dan in my top 3 greatest BBUSA players.

my top 3 are

1)Jun
2)Dick
3)Danielle (Season 3 black Danielle, not dick's daughter)

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Dan won season 10 because he had a good alliance with Renny, Keasha and a better one with Memphis. He was respected by the jury for playing a good game so was rewarded the win, BUT it also helped he had Memphis who he manipulated to be not well liked by the jury in the end.

In season 14 he lost because he played a dirty game, Yes he made a great comeback to make the final 2, however he pissed the people of by promising them he would take them to final 4/3/2 then voting them out. I mean look at the jury votes; Frank and Shane were both backstabbed by him so he was never getting their votes. Ashley and Britney both had better relationships with Ian so Dan had no shot in winning. He didnt have a scapegoat like he had with Memphis, this time he was up against someone respected and liked by the jury, if anything Dan was Ian's Memphis.

Ian was respected? :rofl:

No he wasn't dude. They all looked at him as a 21 year old kid.

[lostalex]

^^ I disagree, I think they did respect Ian by the end, remember when he stood up for himself when Frank tried to bully him and yell at him because he voted Boogie out? Ian manned up and fought back, he didn't cower in a corner or act like an ant, he stood up for himself against Frank, and i think a lot of people gained respect for him after that. He wasn't just some pathetic nerd who could be pushed around.

He wasn't like Ronnie the Rat who just cowered in a corner after Russell confronted and bullied him. Ian actually stood up for himself, and wasn't just some little kid to be bullied.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Because he's delusional as **** and acted like he was some mastermind who was one of the best players ever. At least I heard that now he admits that his win was completely situational so that's a step in the right direction.

Yeah, he came around after he watched the live feeds and read the transcripts. That fool really thought he created the quack pack and masterminded the whole season.

He now compares his win to Bob in Survivor Gabon. Before that he really thought he was Will and Dan's level.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

^^ I disagree, I think they did respect Ian by the end, remember when he stood up for himself when Frank tried to bully him and yell at him because he voted Boogie out? Ian manned up and fought back, he didn't cower in a corner or act like an ant, he stood up for himself against Frank, and i think a lot of people gained respect for him for that.

Nah, I watched the live feeds. Ian was edited differently on the show. Frank and Jenn especially hated him. Ashley was freaked out by him and so on.

Britney and Dan were the only people that showed any interest in him.

Ian was extremely weird. You had to watch the live feeds to really understand. He constantly mumbles to himself, rocks back and forth and curses like a sailor for no reason at all. He is extremely socially awkward man.

[lostalex]

I didn't watch the live feeds, but to be fair, no offense to Jenn and Ashley, but those 2 girls were not the sharpest tools in the shed...

i mean Ashley made Jordan look like a Rhodes Scholar...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Because he's delusional as **** and acted like he was some mastermind who was one of the best players ever. At least I heard that now he admits that his win was completely situational so that's a step in the right direction.

Well that's fine, but it doesn't justify you using a derogatory term against those with such a condition

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I didn't watch the live feeds, but to be fair, no offense to Jenn and Ashley, but those 2 girls were not the sharpest tools in the shed...

i mean Ashley made Jordan look like a Rhodes Scholar...

Jenn wasn't stupid, but she wasn't a good player either.

You are right about Ashley. She has to be the dumbest player ever. A week after the show finished she was caught up in some acting scam.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't even rank Will or Dan in my top 3 greatest BBUSA players.

my top 3 are

1)Jun
2)Dick
3)Danielle (Season 3 black Danielle, not dick's daughter)

Yeah that's a major flaw in your list

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Yeah that's a major flaw in your list

You think so? so you don't think he would have gone far in season 13 if he didn't have to leave? I think he could have been the first ever 2 time BB winner.

I think he's a lot like Sandra from Survivor (the only 2 time winner). he's got a bad attitude and he makes alot of mistakes, but he does it in a way that makes him seem authentic, so people trust him and like him. I definitely think he could have gone all the way on season 13.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The only positive Dick's game has is that he has Grodner on his side.

[Donovan.]

Don't compare him to goddess Sandra. Sure, Sandra was sassy, but she knew when to shut up. And she never said anything comparable to the nasty things that Dick said.

[lostalex]

Sandra was like Dick though. cause she had a big strategy, but she also had a big mouth. neither were good at physical challenges, both were "older".... I don't think my comparison is that off the mark. i think Dick has a sassy latina in his soul.

I love both Sandra and Dick.

Youtube video

[lostalex]

Julie Chen did the final interview with Survivor?? how have i never seen this before...

Julie/russell/sandra/parvati.... bliss

Youtube video

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Sandra was like Dick though. cause she had a big strategy, but she also had a big mouth. neither were good at physical challenges, both were "older".... I don't think my comparison is that off the mark. i think Dick has a sassy latina in his soul.

I love both Sandra and Dick.

Too bad the only difference is their personalities :\

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Too bad the only difference is their personalities :\

Sandra could be a bully too, i think you are forgetting.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yes, everyone cowered in fear as she tormented them around the island give me a ****ing break this is such a damn stretch.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Yes, everyone cowered in fear as she tormented them around the island give me a ****ing break this is such a damn stretch.

you're joking right? Umm, go back and watch her seasons, she yelled and screamed and bullied people plenty on her original season. And just like Russell (throwing socks in the fire) Sandra threw the fish out just out of spite, and she would rant and rave and shout people down. Anyone who dared call her out would be shouted down and intimidated.

She was absolutely as mouthy and loud and intimidating as Dick was on BB.

You obviously don't remember what Sandra was really like.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yes, I will begrudgingly admit that a pudgy, middle-aged, unathletic Hispanic mother is just as intimidating as a volatile, chain-smoking, tattooed punk rocker. You got me good.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Yes, I will begrudgingly admit that a pudgy, middle-aged, unathletic Hispanic mother is just as intimidating as a volatile, chain-smoking, tattooed punk rocker. You got me good.

that's Dick. he's just as pudgy, middle-aged, and unathletic as Sandra was. And don't underestimate that Puerto Rican fire, it's just as punk rock as punk rock. Im telling you maybe even Dick would be intimidated by her. You're selling her short. If she could handle Russell and put him in his place, she could certainly handle Dick too.

[JTM45]

"who wants to be coached up then ?!!!!"..........silence........tumbleweed (apart from the psychotic monkey bimbo hanging off his shoulder screeching)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's Dick. he's just as pudgy, middle-aged, and unathletic as Sandra was. And don't underestimate that Puerto Rican fire, it's just as punk rock as punk rock. Im telling you maybe even Dick would be intimidated by her. You're selling her short. If she could handle Russell and put him in his place, she could certainly handle Dick too.

You're acting like it it's a big feat to put Russell in his place so lol @ this whole thing.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't even rank Will or Dan in my top 3 greatest BBUSA players.

my top 3 are

1)Jun
2)Dick
3)Danielle (Season 3 black Danielle, not dick's daughter)

Jun is okay.

Dick was handed a win

i like Danielle but she is overrated as a gameplayer. She knew everyone as going to see her interviews, yet still chose to insult them..

None even come close to Will or Dan, sorry

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Dan is a better strategist. That's not even debatable man. Both are great manipulators, but I would probably give the edge to Will there.

Will is a better strategist by far. Dan makes too many stupid decisions. He could have won BB14 if he would have played smarter.

Originally Posted by SoBig

Everyone liked Dan in BB10. Its only after he screwed them over they hated him. EVERYONE in BB2 hated Will except for chilltown. Will wasn't liked at all.

Every disliked Will because of Shannon, once she left everyone began to like him. Towards the end he was friendly with everyone.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Will is a better strategist by far. Dan makes too many stupid decisions. He could have won BB14 if he would have played smarter.



Every disliked Will because of Shannon, once she left everyone began to like him. Towards the end he was friendly with everyone.

Dan could have only won if he was sitting next to someone that won the game before, but Mike Boogie screwed that up. The newbies made up their minds once the reset happened that they weren't voting for a coach to win.

You're talking like Will won twice. Will's own showmance voted him out. Will gave up at the end of BB7. Dan would have never ever done that.