[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I think autopilot will get them through for a season, but that's when the major rebuild will need to be done. The good thing from my POV, is that whiskey nose was given 7 years, so he will be calling for patience as you trickle down the league.

I'm going to be so ******ing gutted if he turns out to be great.

Think it depends on who he signs in central midfield, if anyone. If Jose brings Falcao with him then the title race is basically over.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Just a little perspective. Everton have the 8th highest wage bill in the league. He's not exactly on a shoestring.

And that's down to Moyes managment, and business he's done, the sales of Rooney, Lescot, Arteta, Piennar and many more, and then pretty good recruitment to replace them, and even if they are 8th they're still not able to compete with Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea or Arsenal, lets face it even a club with the size, stature and history as Liverpool cannot compete with these clubs.

Originally Posted by Nathan

and he's one of the highest paid managers, shoestring club is a load of ****

Thank you. Everyone believes this myth. Beattie, Koldrup and the rest. He's spunked money up the wall with the best of them.

Originally Posted by wannashag

And that's down to Moyes managment, and business he's done, the sales of Rooney, Lescot, Arteta, Piennar and many more, and then pretty good recruitment to replace them, and even if they are 8th they're still not able to compete with Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea or Arsenal, lets face it even a club with the size, stature and history as Liverpool cannot compete with these clubs.

Moyes' management of Rooney was pretty shady from what I remember, and crediting him with selling him is nonsense. He's made some astute signings over the years, I'd never deny it, but lets not pretend he shouldn't be roughly where he is with Everton.

Didn't James Beattie replace Rooney for 8million?

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Don't even know why Liverpool fans are so happy. Not like Rodgers came to Liverpool as Barcelona manager. Let's hope we send you down to 8th as we take 7th

Helps us out in 2 ways. Gives your lot a manager that is unproven at this level, and ****s Everton up a bit aswell. A great couple of days.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Moyes' management of Rooney was pretty shady from what I remember, and crediting him with selling him is nonsense. He's made some astute signings over the years, I'd never deny it, but lets not pretend he shouldn't be roughly where he is with Everton.

Didn't James Beattie replace Rooney for 8million?

Time will tell, and I'm usually right, looks like the people involved at Manchester United agree with me, and think Moyes is the best man for the job, but what do they know?

Originally Posted by wannashag

Time will tell, and I'm usually right, looks like the people involved at Manchester United agree with me, and think Moyes is the best man for the job, but what do they know?

That's irrelevant. Previous good decision making doesn't rule out a bad decision ever being made.

Liverpool made the right managerial appointments for decades, but it only took one wrong decision to bring it all crashing down.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

You have done nothing but put Moyes down, for one reason, he doesn't have champions league experience (but technically he does), maybe if he had the money that Mourinho had to spend he would have won the champions league, maybe if Mourinho had managed Everton with no money to spend, he might not have Champions league experience, at Real madrid, Chelsea and Inter Milan, how many players has Mourinho brought through the juniors and turned them in to International players, none come to my mind, he just goes out and spends top money on top players, where as Moyes i can name some, Rooney, Rodwell, Osman, Coleman he also plucked Jagielka and Lescot from the lower leagues and turned them both in to internationals, who got the best out of Lescot Moyes or Mancini (who has champions league experience, which apparently makes you a better manager)?, who got the best out of Arteta, Moyes or Wenger (who has Champions league experience)? who got the best out of Piennar, Moyes or Redknapp (who has Champions league experience)?
Moyes gets the best out of players, because he's a world class manager, and he will prove that to you very soon, and you'll just look like a dick.

Lmao!

First of all, please use paragraphs. (That isn't mickey taking just makes it a tad hard to read a wall of text as they say)
Second of all, where to start in your post deary me.

That isn't the only reason I don't want Moyes for the job at all. For one, I doubt if he can win a Premier League title. Especially with Jose on his way back to Chelsea. Second of all, I'm not entirely convinced by his style of play.

In regards to you wheeling off players...

Rooney was at his best in 2009/10. And Rooney's best form apart from that was at Euro 2004 really. I believe Rooney departed partly due to Moyes not playing him as much as he wanted. Rooney's best form wasn't under David Moyes. That is for sure.

Rodwell, you sold him when he couldn't even get in your team. He was a decent talent a couple of years back but he's not nothing to write home about and wasn't in his latter days at Everton.

Osman, sorry but, how this guy gets in the England team is beyond me. Sums up how **** we are. Guess he got the best out of him, not that there's much there anyway. Maybe give you that one.

Coleman, haven't seen him a whole lot so sharnt comment.

Jagielka, yes, very good player. Definitely should be in the England squad more.

Lescott, well he had a very good campaign last season. Unlucky for him that he was ousted from the starting XI.

Arteta has been a good signing for Arsenal. His best days were at Everton but he wasn't as good in his latter days at Everton.

Pienaar, give you that one.


Now, it seems you're getting a little butt hurt. It's my opinion. You have a crystal ball do you? You know for sure this guy is going to come in and do brilliantly? No.

The issue here is, you can't accept that my opinion is different. I don't think Moyes is good enough. If he turns out to be though, I will come on here and, gladly, say I was wrong.

Oh, and let's not use youth players that have gone on to play for their international teams and then name English players. Anyone can get in that England team judging by who Woy picks.

[Drew.]

in all fairness Ryan, Osman has been very good.. hes got something about him not many other English players have.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Drew.

in all fairness Ryan, Osman has been very good.. hes got something about him not many other English players have.

Sums up England when we give a debut to a 31 year old. I'm sure the whole of the world will fear us if he gets in the 2014 England squad.

[Brother Leon]

May not be shoestring budget, but he's still worked wonders with what he has. If it wasn't for clubs like City and Chelsea getting Mafia owners and spending Monopoly money then chances are he leads Everton to CL a lot more imo.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Lmao!

First of all, please use paragraphs. (That isn't mickey taking just makes it a tad hard to read a wall of text as they say)
Second of all, where to start in your post deary me.

That isn't the only reason I don't want Moyes for the job at all. For one, I doubt if he can win a Premier League title. Especially with Jose on his way back to Chelsea. Second of all, I'm not entirely convinced by his style of play.

In regards to you wheeling off players...

Rooney was at his best in 2009/10. And Rooney's best form apart from that was at Euro 2004 really. I believe Rooney departed partly due to Moyes not playing him as much as he wanted. Rooney's best form wasn't under David Moyes. That is for sure.

Rodwell, you sold him when he couldn't even get in your team. He was a decent talent a couple of years back but he's not nothing to write home about and wasn't in his latter days at Everton.

Osman, sorry but, how this guy gets in the England team is beyond me. Sums up how **** we are. Guess he got the best out of him, not that there's much there anyway. Maybe give you that one.

Coleman, haven't seen him a whole lot so sharnt comment.

Jagielka, yes, very good player. Definitely should be in the England squad more.

Lescott, well he had a very good campaign last season. Unlucky for him that he was ousted from the starting XI.

Arteta has been a good signing for Arsenal. His best days were at Everton but he wasn't as good in his latter days at Everton.

Pienaar, give you that one.


Now, it seems you're getting a little butt hurt. It's my opinion. You have a crystal ball do you? You know for sure this guy is going to come in and do brilliantly? No.

The issue here is, you can't accept that my opinion is different. I don't think Moyes is good enough. If he turns out to be though, I will come on here and, gladly, say I was wrong.

Oh, and let's not use youth players that have gone on to play for their international teams and then name English players. Anyone can get in that England team judging by who Woy picks.

Not getting hurt at all, I'm enjoying it, I'm just sticking up for Moyes because as an Everton fan have seen what he's about over the past 10 + years, he's not won a single trophy but to me and most Everton fans he's a legend, because we know in reality we have very, very little chance of winning a trophy, but what he has done, he's give the club stability, he's made us a consistent top half club, which in Todays game of ridiculous money is great achievement.
If you want me to write in paragraphs, then you spell your words right, because lmao is not a word.

[Locke.]

Also worth pointing out that Moyes is the only Everton manager never to win at Anfield, when we've not exactly been great the last few years.

Long may his record continue.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Sums up England when we give a debut to a 31 year old. I'm sure the whole of the world will fear us if he gets in the 2014 England squad.

now we're talking about the England manager..

Moyes does well with the players in his squad that have quality, lets be honest pretty much every United player has quality and so i think he will work well with them and do a good job.

[Drew.]

yeah, his record against the so called top 4 is absolutely terrible.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Not getting hurt at all, I'm enjoying it, I'm just sticking up for Moyes because as an Everton fan have seen what he's about over the past 10 + years, he's not won a single trophy but to me and most Everton fans he's a legend, because we know in reality we have very, very little chance of winning a trophy, but what he has done, he's give the club stability, he's made us a consistent top half club, which in Todays game of ridiculous money is great achievement.
If you want me to write in paragraphs, then you spell your words right, because lmao is not a word.

I understand the like for Moyes. Opinions differ, however.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Drew.

now we're talking about the England manager..

Moyes does well with the players in his squad that have quality, lets be honest pretty much every United player has quality and so i think he will work well with them and do a good job.

Agree with this, until we enter the midfield area. In which we have such dire options.

[Drew.]

when i say pretty much every United player has quality.. some have potential like Cleverley, but havent shown all the quality they are capable of

Moyes will show everyone just how overrated Cleverly is, next season.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Drew.

yeah, his record against the so called top four is absolutely terrible.

How many managers do have great records against the so called top 4 clubs?

This season against
Manchester United - won 1 lost 1
Manchester City - won 1 drew 1
Chelsea - lost 1
Arsenal - drew 2

I'm assuming there the big four you talk of?

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

How many managers do have great records against the so called top 4 clubs?

This season against
Manchester United - won 1 lost 1
Manchester City - won 1 drew 1
Chelsea - lost 1
Arsenal - drew 2

I'm assuming there the big four you talk of?

'Moyes has still to taste the satisfaction of a league victory at one of the quartet of clubs – Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United'

you'd expect him to have won away to one of those teams in 11 years

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Drew.

'Moyes has still to taste the satisfaction of a league victory at one of the quartet of clubs – Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United'

you'd expect him to have won away to one of those teams in 11 years

He does have beating Manchester United in knockout football (FA cup) on his cv

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Drew.

yeah, his record against the so called top 4 is absolutely terrible.

Does ok against Chelsea and City and we have the players to deal with Suarez and Liverpool either way. Not too worried.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Moyes will show everyone just how overrated Cleverly is, next season.

This logic can be applied to most of our squad next season I imagine. Not even Mourinho can motivate players to be hungry for success like Sir Alex does.

[Drew.]

its something like 40 odd games hes played against them and not won any away.. the stat shocked me but you'd expect this to change next season now hes in charge of United.

[Alf]

Devastated to lose Moyes for selfish reasons, but delighted for him personally because he deserves more than anyone else this opportunity to show the World just what a great manager he is.