[arista]

"Now he is allowing his MPs to talk about some arrangement or joint standing in the 2015 election with UKIP.
It is getting really ridiculous."

No he is not saying anything on those MP's doing Joint UKIP.

You jump the Gun to much, young man

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Now he is allowing his MPs to talk about some arrangement or joint standing in the 2015 election with UKIP.
It is getting really ridiculous."

No he is not saying anything on those MP's doing Joint UKIP.

You jump the Gun to much, young man

They had Jacob Rees-Mogg or whatever his name is and Nadine Dorries on about it over the weekend on TV, they are talking about it and publicly too.

He just sits back hoping these things go away, then they get bigger, if he nipped these things in the bud and got a grip of things people may actually at least think about respecting a little more.

One was even talking about the Conservatives and UKIP having their logos side by side on ballot papers in an electoral pact for goodness sake.

[arista]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=224781

Yes I am fully aware of Bitch Nadine

The PM is on travels
soon to Europe

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22585093

A "crisis" over same-sex marriage, Europe and attitudes towards its grassroots is threatening to destroy the Tory party, activists say.

Ben Harris-Quinney, Director of Conservative Grassroots, organised a letter and petition signed by 34 former and current local association chairmen, largely criticising the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill for England and Wales, which returns to the Commons on Monday.

They complained of a "crisis of conservatism" and three issues which were currently "destroying the party" - Europe, same-sex marriage and the "contempt" for party membership from the leadership - as demonstrated by the "loons" comment.

"Your refusal to listen to reason and grassroots opinion is causing many previously loyal Conservatives to leave the party," they wrote.

"Some are lost forever and many will not contemplate re-joining unless the [same-sex marriage] Bill is abandoned or the party leadership changed."

They said the bill had led to voters switching to the UK Independence Party and claimed it made winning the next general election "virtually impossible".

On Europe, Mr Harris-Quinney said there was "nothing wrong with David Cameron's position on Europe as things stand" but both sides of the debate had been "angered by the process and lack of clarity in getting there".

"This is the problem in the Conservative Party now, there is no vision or narrative."

Bob Woollard, chairman of Conservative Grassroots, told the BBC the same-sex marriage bill had "upset countless people and caused many, many people - hundreds, maybe thousands, to leave the party over this issue".

He said if there was no change it would be a "slippery slope downwards" with "more party members leaving the party, getting utterly disenchanted and frustrated that nobody is listening to them".

UKIP FTW .....

[arista]

Yes we will see in 2015
If UKIP win any seats

or Conservative with UKIP win many seats

[joeysteele]

UKIP actually would be daft to have anything to do with the Conservatives, they would lose their own identity.

The Conservative party is clearly very desperate to be even talking like this,any of them.
Nigel Farage must be in near hysterics at the near shambles the Conservatives are in.
Almost leaderless too because David Cameron seems totally unable to take control or appear to even have much authority at all.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

UKIP actually would be daft to have anything to do with the Conservatives, they would lose their own identity.

The Conservative party is clearly very desperate to be even talking like this,any of them.
Nigel Farage must be in near hysterics at the near shambles the Conservatives are in.
Almost leaderless too because David Cameron seems totally unable to take control or appear to even have much authority at all.

The depends
if a joint vote beats Labour

And split up Labour could win in some places

Thats what this is about

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

The depends
if a joint vote beats Labour

And split up Labour could win in some places

Thats what this is about

I think it is totally ridiculous and I would say that if it was Labour or the Lib Dems advocating it too.
I think it will massively backfire on the Conservative party and deservedly so too.
This makes them look really weak and even more desperate after all they have said as to UKIP. In fact it is massively hypocritical of them too.

I mean, my Parents were,(were now being the operative word), lifelong Conservative voters, they hate UKIP with a passion and they are totally dumbfounded at these antics of this led Conservative Govt.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think it is totally ridiculous and I would say that if it was Labour or the Lib Dems advocating it too.
I think it will massively backfire on the Conservative party and deservedly so too.
This makes them look really weak and even more desperate after all they have said as to UKIP. In fact it is massively hypocritical of them too.

I mean, my Parents were,(were now being the operative word), lifelong Conservative voters, they hate UKIP with a passion and they are totally dumbfounded at these antics of this led Conservative Govt.

But in your area it may not be a merge.


In some places UKIP have more than Conservative votes
so can you not understand the panic

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But in your area it may not be a merge.


In some places UKIP have more than Conservative votes
so can you not understand the panic

I think in most places the Conservative vote will drop and UKIPs rise, however that doesn't mean that many extra votes really.It will save or bring in some seats but overall still enough will be lost and badly lost too by the Cosnervatives in my view.
Strong Labour and Lib Dem voters will not give as much as maybe people think they will as to extra votes to make that much difference.

I can well understand the Conservative party's panic but what they advocate doing because of that I don't understand at all and furthermore I don't think the bulk of voters will like it or respond to it either.

As I say, I believe this will,if it was even attempted,badly backfire on the Conservatives and not just for the 2015 election either but for a good while beyond that.

[Omah]

The more the three main parties dissolve into chaos, the less voters care about the outcome - they just want answers on the important issues like employment, corruption and immigration ....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

The more the three main parties dissolve into chaos, the less voters care about the outcome - they just want answers on the important issues like employment, corruption and immigration ....

Yes and if we have TV debates UKIP
should be on it.
But they are trying to stop them

[joeysteele]

I 100% agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates this time. I doubt David Cameron is looking forward to any of them.
Also apparantly UKIP have indicated they would scrap the bedroom tax/charge,the Conservatives won't like that.

[Livia]

I agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates. It's about time someone scratched their shiney surface so we could all take a peak at what's underneath.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates. It's about time someone scratched their shiney surface so we could all take a peak at what's underneath.

Definitely, much more scrutiny is needed as to their other policies.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I 100% agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates this time.

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates.

I agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates, too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

I agree that UKIP should be included in the leaders debates, too.

Please don't edit my comments. I did say I agree that UKIP should be included, but there was a clause to my comment which you have deleted.

[arista]

Yes Naughty Omah

[Nedusa]

I think the voting masses are starting to wake up after years of blindly voting for one of two main parties usually across social and class divides. I think the current austerity period we are now experiencing is focussing people's thoughts on what they actually want from their political leaders. The Main parties seem to just talk but then continue with their usual agendas.

People are now looking for better representation from their elected leaders, they want their voices to be heard and acted upon, this is why UKIP is now showing well in the polls. Hopefully we may now start to see more representation of the ordinary man in the street

Perhaps a political revolution is at hand...!!!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Please don't edit my comments. I did say I agree that UKIP should be included, but there was a clause to my comment which you have deleted.

I didn't agree with your clause, though .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think the voting masses are starting to wake up after years of blindly voting for one of two main parties usually across social and class divides. I think the current austerity period we are now experiencing is focussing people's thoughts on what they actually want from their political leaders. The Main parties seem to just talk but then continue with their usual agendas.

People are now looking for better representation from their elected leaders, they want their voices to be heard and acted upon, this is why UKIP is now showing well in the polls. Hopefully we may now start to see more representation of the ordinary man in the street

Perhaps a political revolution is at hand...!!!

Yeah, power to the people !

[joeysteele]

I do have to say and in fact concede too,I am finding people who have voted for all 3 main parties who are now going to or are considering strongly voting for UKIP.

The majority of them have voted Conservative before. This is going to go on and on and with the European elections to come before the General election in 2015 too, UKIP could get a position as to the polls that may be really difficult to erase by then.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I do have to say and in fact concede too,I am finding people who have voted for all 3 main parties who are now going to or are considering strongly voting for UKIP.

I appreciate your concession .....

[GiRTh]

Surely the Tories don't think a move to the right will win them the next election?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Surely the Tories don't think a move to the right will win them the next election?

Frankly, I don't think there's very much they can do that will win them the next election because they've ****ed up so monumentally. They've not only angered their opponents, they've upset and alienated their core voters. They're toast, I'm afraid. Only Boris can save them now...