[Sickfuc]

Their being totally racist and out of order. Its like watching 3 chav bullies from hell.

[charred_nipple]

OMG asking questions like "Do they cook that way in India?" is as racist as me asking "Do they cook that way in Yorkshire".

Donkeylegs seems to be getting quite heated but I would like to pick up on the fact that I listed two occasions where Shilpa mocked accents (Jo and Jade's), which, being more than once surely makes that several times as well.

Look I'm not saying that picking on her isn't out of order cos they are clearly going a step to far. However, while I would never go that far I can see exactly why they don't like her cos she is very annoying. Maybe it's not her fault she's annoying; maybe it's her culture, maybe it's because she's never had to lift a finger; mabe I'm racist for saying it. Clearly a group cliquiness had developed but that always seems to happen with young ladies and while it's not fair to pick on someone for being different, I'm sure it's not racist.

The girls are merely asking questions because they are ignorant of Shilpa's culture, just as Jade is with eskimo culture, which I'm sure makes her twice as racist. The comment about putting something in Shilpa's curry, I think, referred to the fact that she always makes curry and wasn't just an Indian stereotype. Frankly, if I wanted to order some fishfingers as Danielle did and someone was telling me I couldn't and I had to eat exactly what and when she was cooking, it would start to grate after a while.

Also I would never call it "gentle jokey bullying", it is clearly more serious, and I can see things from Shilpa's point of view; it would be very hard for her to reinsert herself into the group that she appears to have been shunned by. Saying that, I still can't stand her, but my opinion may change over time. Clio even looks like she's starting to get a bit wound up with her (shopping time - Shilpa: "Clio, you and me yeah")

[Ruth]

I don't think that there is racism in the house. I do think they are bullying Shilpa though. Okay, so they don't like her - fair enough, you can't like everyone. But do they have to go on and on and on and on about it. Danielle seems unable to talk about anything else! Everytime you see them they are bitching about her. It's not pleasant, and just because you don't like someone does not make that kind of behaviour unacceptable.

Shilpa may irritate some people, but she is basically a decent person. She does not deserve the treatment she is getting - and bear in mind, that I am not even a particular fan of hers.

[charred_nipple]

Ruth I completely agree with your statement. I think I've got pretty much the same opinions on this as you as the moment. Danielle is starting to go a bit too far and you just know that when she sits down in a room with one of the other girls she's gonna start bitchin. I still liked Danielle when this all started but I'm startin to see her a little bit differently now; I still like the giggly, bubbly side of her though.

[sarahtheangel]

when they were slagging her off last night joe said there was a girl from bongor and jade said we wont go there so in my eyes joe is racist

[GiRTh]

I think what we're witnesssing here may or may not be racism I don't want to comment on that. I do, however, believe that it is acute and extreme ignorance of Shilpa's culture. After all, Shilpa may be annoying but she's not been confrontational or argumentative towards them. So why are they acting the way they are.

I thinks its tragic that when these three girls are confronted by someone of a different culture; instead of attempting to understand her, resort to cheap, ignorant and frankly xenophobic actions. As someone pointed out on another thread, Dirk and Jermaine have no idea of Shilpa's culture either but they are behaving in a much more dignified way.

I feared that Shilpa may walk but judging by her remarks in the diary room at the end of last night show, she seems determined to tough it out. At the end of the day she has to walk out of there with her head held high because those three girls are going to be so embarrased when they leave the house and are constantly quizzed on the subject of race.

They will deserve everything they get.

[ttw]

Originally posted by charred_nipple
OMG asking questions like "Do they cook that way in India?" is as racist as me asking "Do they cook that way in Yorkshire".

Donkeylegs seems to be getting quite heated but I would like to pick up on the fact that I listed two occasions where Shilpa mocked accents (Jo and Jade's), which, being more than once surely makes that several times as well.

Look I'm not saying that picking on her isn't out of order cos they are clearly going a step to far. However, while I would never go that far I can see exactly why they don't like her cos she is very annoying. Maybe it's not her fault she's annoying; maybe it's her culture, maybe it's because she's never had to lift a finger; mabe I'm racist for saying it. Clearly a group cliquiness had developed but that always seems to happen with young ladies and while it's not fair to pick on someone for being different, I'm sure it's not racist.

The girls are merely asking questions because they are ignorant of Shilpa's culture, just as Jade is with eskimo culture, which I'm sure makes her twice as racist. The comment about putting something in Shilpa's curry, I think, referred to the fact that she always makes curry and wasn't just an Indian stereotype. Frankly, if I wanted to order some fishfingers as Danielle did and someone was telling me I couldn't and I had to eat exactly what and when she was cooking, it would start to grate after a while.

Also I would never call it "gentle jokey bullying", it is clearly more serious, and I can see things from Shilpa's point of view; it would be very hard for her to reinsert herself into the group that she appears to have been shunned by. Saying that, I still can't stand her, but my opinion may change over time. Clio even looks like she's starting to get a bit wound up with her (shopping time - Shilpa: "Clio, you and me yeah")

Charred Nipple I totally agree with all your comments....

People need to understand what ignorance is..."Do they cook that way in India?" is just pure unawareness of another culture and is just as stupid as the fact that she thought Winston Churchill was the first black president of America.

Yes they bitch alot about her, but as we have witnessed in many BB's everyone bitches alot, why? Because when your in a small claustrophobic house, there is not much to do and if someone is annoying you there is no where you can go to get away from it, so you end up bitching or argueing with that person.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by charred_nipple
Hey guys

I just think it's ludicrous to start claiming that the nastiness directed at Shilpa is racially motivated.

I think there have been a few sneaky comments that could have been misconstrued as mildly racist, but I don't think it was intentional.

I have to say I can see where the three girls are coming from as I find Shilpa highly irritating and she does appear to be very fake (her outrageously exaggerated laugh, seemingly unnatural mannerisms and the whole "feel sorry for me" thing). I think that the girls just genuinely don't like her and I don't think the question of race has ever come into it. I just think Shilpa is genuinely unlikeable and I find it very hard to watch her without getting exasperated.

My opinions are not racially motivated and I would be disgusted if there were any signs of racism in the house, but I think this is just another case of idiotic and easily led members of the British public who need something to complain about, coupled with the media blowing it out of proportion. I think a white British girl with Shilpa's personality and mannerisms would recieve exactly the same treatment and it would be highly naive to think otherwise.

Just my opinions but I think people are being far too sensitive and too willing to play the race card at the drop of a hat. This is clearly nothing to do with racism.

Also, I do think they are ganging up on her a bit unnessicarily and you can feel the tension, but she does just keep doing highly annoying things. For example, flushing a stew with bones in it down the toilet - what the ****** was that about? However, I do think that a few comments such as "Use your teeth Shilpa" and Danielle talking about putting something in Shilpa's curry were out of order and shouldn't have been said. Bearing that in mind, they are not racist. I wouldn't want someone picking at my food or controlling what I eat or what goes on the shopping list, and I would laugh at any woman parading around with shaving foam on her face; black or white.

Interested to hear other ppl's views. Cheers

Hey Pr person for Jade,Jo or Danielle

Or are you a journalist?

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by psylocke

Hey Pr person for Jade,Jo or Danielle

Or are you a journalist?

Tell me about it.

Theres either a lot of Goody fans, a lot of Goody PR people or folk are just too damn ashamed to face the truth.

Theres a thread of racist quotes but they just cant bring themselves to read it cause they cant face the music.

[The_Hitman]

This accent immitation is really getting on my nerves.

No-one even gives a damn about that. Its irrelevant, and yet it keeps being brought up as the point of the debate.

ITS NOT THE ACCENT IMMITATION!!!!! ITS EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!!

[Dan_]

Originally posted by ttw

Charred Nipple I totally agree with all your comments....

People need to understand what ignorance is..."Do they cook that way in India?" is just pure unawareness of another culture and is just as stupid as the fact that she thought Winston Churchill was the first black president of America.

Yes they bitch alot about her, but as we have witnessed in many BB's everyone bitches alot, why? Because when your in a small claustrophobic house, there is not much to do and if someone is annoying you there is no where you can go to get away from it, so you end up bitching or argueing with that person.

Like others have said the likes of Jermaine, Ian and Dirk are unaware of Shilpa's culture but do you hear them making ignorant comments? Nope.They need to be willing to listen and learn rather than make pre-conceived judgements.The fact that they already hold these kind of views is pretty worrying.

They just seem to pick on these little minor things and end up bitching about her for ages.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by charred_nipple
Hey guys

I just think it's ludicrous to start claiming that the nastiness directed at Shilpa is racially motivated.

I think there have been a few sneaky comments that could have been misconstrued as mildly racist, but I don't think it was intentional.

I have to say I can see where the three girls are coming from as I find Shilpa highly irritating and she does appear to be very fake (her outrageously exaggerated laugh, seemingly unnatural mannerisms and the whole "feel sorry for me" thing). I think that the girls just genuinely don't like her and I don't think the question of race has ever come into it. I just think Shilpa is genuinely unlikeable and I find it very hard to watch her without getting exasperated.

My opinions are not racially motivated and I would be disgusted if there were any signs of racism in the house, but I think this is just another case of idiotic and easily led members of the British public who need something to complain about, coupled with the media blowing it out of proportion. I think a white British girl with Shilpa's personality and mannerisms would recieve exactly the same treatment and it would be highly naive to think otherwise.

Just my opinions but I think people are being far too sensitive and too willing to play the race card at the drop of a hat. This is clearly nothing to do with racism.

Also, I do think they are ganging up on her a bit unnessicarily and you can feel the tension, but she does just keep doing highly annoying things. For example, flushing a stew with bones in it down the toilet - what the ****** was that about? However, I do think that a few comments such as "Use your teeth Shilpa" and Danielle talking about putting something in Shilpa's curry were out of order and shouldn't have been said. Bearing that in mind, they are not racist. I wouldn't want someone picking at my food or controlling what I eat or what goes on the shopping list, and I would laugh at any woman parading around with shaving foam on her face; black or white.

Interested to hear other ppl's views. Cheers

The nastyness aimed at Shilpa is based on ignorance. As we know ignorance leads to prejudice which leads to racism. It's a fact.

You say there have been a few sneaky comments. Hardly. Jack Tweed allegedly called her a *******ing P*ki. Channel four deny this but it's been printed in the Indian and English Press. Channel four claim he used the c word and not the P word as in the braodcat the words were beeped out. Either way, it's an unacceptable for him to call her.

There is also the constant mocking of her accent. I work with two Indian men who have strong accents. I have never at any point felt the need to imitate them. But that's just me. Also, the deconstruction of Indian culture after Chickengate was, for me, quite difficult to watch. You may disagree but I ask when some body questions a whole cultures way of life that is surely ignorant and prejudicial. I, at times, find Shilpa annoying but I don't think that's a good enough reason for the treatment that she's getting. She made a mistake with the chicken but the way Team Ignorant went on and on and on and on about it was completely unacceptable. Like they're all masterchefs.

The slightest thing that Shilpa does is blown into a huge deal. Example - the seemingly endless berating that she got from Jade because she was the first put her hand up to nominate carole for eviction. I felt so sorry for her. It was something that they had to do so why was Jade having such a go at her about it. It's was ridiculous.

You say that a white English girl would get the same treatment. I disagree. I think the fact that she's a big star - which incidentally Jade and Jo are now questioning - and the fact the she's from another culture have made her an easy target and have given Team Ignorant much more ammunition that any British white girl could have given them. The fact that they are questioning Indian culture backs up my argument.

You talk of playing the race card. I disagree again. Shilpa herself has never mentioned race but, as I stated earlier, the undeniable ignorance that we're witnessing could easily manifest itself into racism.

I think there are too many people who when they hear the word racism immediately assume that people of colour must be overreacting. I am British and of west indian ancestry. I'm not overreacting but I can see an uglyness inside all the members of team ignorant that could easily escalate into something much worse.

[Ella]

So Jack calling Shilpa a '****' isn't racist then??? Maybe you should watch more CBB then you will see that some HM's have made racist comments.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Elz_Belz
So Jack calling Shilpa a '****' isn't racist then??? Maybe you should watch more CBB then you will see that some HM's have made racist comments.

Jack allegedly called Shilpa a p***, however I do not think Ch4 would have shown it if he really did. They have nothing to gain from showing it, and if he did say it they could have easily changed the camera angle so you were not able to lip read and could only hear the beep.

[ttw]

Originally posted by GRiT

The nastyness aimed at Shilpa is based on ignorance. As we know ignorance leads to prejudice which leads to racism. It's a fact.

You say there have been a few sneaky comments. Hardly. Jack Tweed allegedly called her a *******ing P*ki. Channel four deny this but it's been printed in the Indian and English Press. Channel four claim he used the c word and not the P word as in the braodcat the words were beeped out. Either way, it's an unacceptable for him to call her.

There is also the constant mocking of her accent. I work with two Indian men who have strong accents. I have never at any point felt the need to imitate them. But that's just me. Also, the deconstruction of Indian culture after Chickengate was, for me, quite difficult to watch. You may disagree but I ask when some body questions a whole cultures way of life that is surely ignorant and prejudicial. I, at times, find Shilpa annoying but I don't think that's a good enough reason for the treatment that she's getting. She made a mistake with the chicken but the way Team Ignorant went on and on and on and on about it was completely unacceptable. Like they're all masterchefs.

The slightest thing that Shilpa does is blown into a huge deal. Example - the seemingly endless berating that she got from Jade because she was the first put her hand up to nominate carole for eviction. I felt so sorry for her. It was something that they had to do so why was Jade having such a go at her about it. It's was ridiculous.

You say that a white English girl would get the same treatment. I disagree. I think the fact that she's a big star - which incidentally Jade and Jo are now questioning - and the fact the she's from another culture have made her an easy target and have given Team Ignorant much more ammunition that any British white girl could have given them. The fact that they are questioning Indian culture backs up my argument.

You talk of playing the race card. I disagree again. Shilpa herself has never mentioned race but, as I stated earlier, the undeniable ignorance that we're witnessing could easily manifest itself into racism.

I think there are too many people who when they hear the word racism immediately assume that people of colour must be overreacting. I am British and of west indian ancestry. I'm not overreacting but I can see an uglyness inside all the members of team ignorant that could easily escalate into something much worse.

I understand they have said some bitchy and horrible comments about her but I just don't think they are racist.

Jack allegedly called her a p***, as I said before what would Ch4 gain from showing this, they know people can lip read so if he really said it they know they would have to pull the show or take some sort of serious action.

The mocking of her accent is not racist. If I wanted to I could say Shilpa is racist because she mocked the way Jade and Jo said whale, she burst out laughing in front of a group of people belittling and humiliating them. At one point whilst discussing the way Jade spoke she said to Jade say a sentence, making Jade feel very uncomfortable and humiliated.

They did not deconstruct the Indian culture, that was a slight exageration. One of the comments was when they were discussing the chicken , they said it was not cooked properly, they were discussing feeling sick after a meal Shilpa made, Jo then said that everyone is thin in India because they have been eating Shilpa's food.. a very nasty comment to make but it is not prejudice towards Indian people just a reflection on Shilpa's cooking.
The other comment made was when they were discussing Shilpa putting her fingers in other people's food (fair enough reason to 'bitch' about), Danielle then said do they eat with their fingers in India, or is that in China.. Now, that is ignorance, she obviously hasn't got a clue about these countries and probably many other countries, but that does not make her racist. Neither was the comment directed at Shilpa. But on the other hand, certain rices in India are to be eaten with your hands so who is the ignorant one?(do not call me racist, google it if you dont believe me lol)

Of course the smallest thing is a huge deal, ofcourse the bitching is constant, they are in the Big Brother house, there is no way of escaping from the thing/person that is annoying you. There is nothing to do in the house, so ofcourse the bitching is going to come up alot.

And may I add alot of the comments said have not been to Shilpa, neither have they made an effort to intimidate her, humiliate her or offend her. The time her and Jade were talking Shilpa said her self Jade did not 'cross the border', Jade also attempted to comfort her at the end.

The reason Shilpa gets upset is because she feels a bad 'vibe', being in a small house there is no way she couldn't and it will also be hard for Jade and co. to hide it.

The chicken incident, yes they went on about it, but only because they had told her to put it in for 2 hours and she didn't, so it wasn't cooked properly.

Can I just add there have been no racial comments from Jade (that I am aware of).

yes it's undeniable there have been some nasty comments and a feeling of "ganging" up but I wouldn't say this is reason enough to say it was due to race.

I myself am British, and mixed race... I have seen racism before, I do not believe this is racism

[ttw]

Sorry everyone for the mega long post.lol

[The_Hitman]

I think you need to save yourself the energy and read the racist quote thread.

[ttw]

Originally posted by The_Hitman
I think you need to save yourself the energy and read the racist quote thread.

Where?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ttw

I understand they have said some bitchy and horrible comments about her but I just don't think they are racist.

Jack allegedly called her a p***, as I said before what would Ch4 gain from showing this, they know people can lip read so if he really said it they know they would have to pull the show or take some sort of serious action.

The mocking of her accent is not racist. If I wanted to I could say Shilpa is racist because she mocked the way Jade and Jo said whale, she burst out laughing in front of a group of people belittling and humiliating them. At one point whilst discussing the way Jade spoke she said to Jade say a sentence, making Jade feel very uncomfortable and humiliated.

They did not deconstruct the Indian culture, that was a slight exageration. One of the comments was when they were discussing the chicken , they said it was not cooked properly, they were discussing feeling sick after a meal Shilpa made, Jo then said that everyone is thin in India because they have been eating Shilpa's food.. a very nasty comment to make but it is not prejudice towards Indian people just a reflection on Shilpa's cooking.
The other comment made was when they were discussing Shilpa putting her fingers in other people's food (fair enough reason to 'bitch' about), Danielle then said do they eat with their fingers in India, or is that in China.. Now, that is ignorance, she obviously hasn't got a clue about these countries and probably many other countries, but that does not make her racist. Neither was the comment directed at Shilpa. But on the other hand, certain rices in India are to be eaten with your hands so who is the ignorant one?(do not call me racist, google it if you dont believe me lol)

Of course the smallest thing is a huge deal, ofcourse the bitching is constant, they are in the Big Brother house, there is no way of escaping from the thing/person that is annoying you. There is nothing to do in the house, so ofcourse the bitching is going to come up alot.

And may I add alot of the comments said have not been to Shilpa, neither have they made an effort to intimidate her, humiliate her or offend her. The time her and Jade were talking Shilpa said her self Jade did not 'cross the border', Jade also attempted to comfort her at the end.

The reason Shilpa gets upset is because she feels a bad 'vibe', being in a small house there is no way she couldn't and it will also be hard for Jade and co. to hide it.

The chicken incident, yes they went on about it, but only because they had told her to put it in for 2 hours and she didn't, so it wasn't cooked properly.

Can I just add there have been no racial comments from Jade (that I am aware of).

yes it's undeniable there have been some nasty comments and a feeling of "ganging" up but I wouldn't say this is reason enough to say it was due to race.

I myself am British, and mixed race... I have seen racism before, I do not believe this is racism

I don't disagree with you but I think you're failing to see the ugliness of it all.

Yes it's BB. Yes there's gonna be tension but the level of it is completely unacceptable and it's aimed at one person who happens to be an attractive, elegant, hugely succesful and of a different culture. The fact that she's of a different culture definitely makes her an easy target. She, up to a certain extent, doesn't help herself due to her wanting to control her surroundings, but the mocking of the accent has to stop. I think when Shilpa mimiced Jade accent it was in a different context. It was due to her not understanding her. Shilpa then laughing can be taken a number of ways. I think it's unfair to claim she was laughing at Jade.

Jade and Danielle have acted in an extremely ignorant way and deserve all the stick they're gonna get for it. We expect this from Jade but I'm extremely disappointed by Danielle. On other threads you've stuck up for Danielle and I can't understand why. It's almost as if we should forgive her ignorance. I'm sorry but I can't forgive it especially when she seems to be making zero effort towards Shilpa. Nobody expects her to know everything but the way she conducted herself will prove to be her downfall. If I was Teddy I'd have already changed the locks on the house.

I remember watching Jessica Simpson on her reality show and, take it from me, my 9 years old niece would whip her in a general knowledge quiz. There was, however, a certain charm to the way she was that I don't see in Danielle. Sorry but I'm afraid we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

[Diablo]

I cant believe the size of this issue.. I have just read on yahoo about protesters burning CBB Effigies.. This whole alleged racism thing has been blown way out of proportion and some people are going OTT.. It seems like people are scrutinising everything the 3 girls say to find some remark they can call racism.. IMO Ignorant, bitchy, and stupid are words that describe the 3 girls..

and I am a Shilpa fan.. cant stand the Goody or Danielle so I am not sticking up for them

[ttw]

Originally posted by GRiT

I don't disagree with you but I think you're failing to see the ugliness of it all.

Yes it's BB. Yes there's going to be tension but the level of it is completely unacceptable and it's aimed at one person who happens to be an attractive, elegant, hugely succesful and of a different culture. The fact that she's of a different culture definitely makes her an easy target. She, up to a certain extent, doesn't help herself due to her wanting to control her surroundings, but the mocking of the accent has to stop. I think when Shilpa mimiced Jade accent it was in a different context. It was due to her not understanding her. Shilpa then laughing can be taken a number of ways. I think it's unfair to claim she was laughing at Jade.

Jade and Danielle have acted in an extremely ignorant way and deserve all the stick they're going to get for it. We expect this from Jade but I'm extremely disappointed by Danielle. On other threads you've stuck up for Danielle and I can't understand why. It's almost as if we should forgive her ignorance. I'm sorry but I can't forgive it especially when she seems to be making zero effort towards Shilpa. Nobody expects her to know everything but the way she conducted herself will prove to be her downfall. If I was Teddy I'd have already changed the locks on the house.

I remember watching Jessica Simpson on her reality show and, take it from me, my 9 years old niece would whip her in a general knowledge quiz. There was, however, a certain charm to the way she was that I don't see in Danielle. Sorry but I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Believe me, if everyone were just saying it was bullying (and I don't mean just bullying as if bullying is fine) I would barely be defending any of them, it's just that I don't agree with the racism issue.

I'm not saying anyone should forgive her for her comments, but I don't think it is fair to call her racist when her comments stem from not understanding, and not having knowledge of another culture/country as I don't think she intends them to be malicious/hurtful/offensive. If they were intended in this way, then I would agree she was racist.

[Kit]

Reality TV is just that...an unfortunate, sad reality that people don't want to acknowledge exists. some of these low class british females merely represent what goes on in the minds of indigenous british society. people are always afraid of something different...especially if its on their 'turf'.

[charred_nipple]

Hey guys I started the thread cos I wanted 2 see what other ppl's opinions were on this. I am glad that a lot of people agree that most of the comments have been blown way out of proportion and should not be taken as racist.

However, some other people, e.g. GRIT have made some very rational and sensible points and I am starting to see things from a slightly different point of view. By this I mean that I hadn't really thought about how innappropriate their behaviour actually is (in terms of the nastiness, not the racism). They are adults after all and, as GRIT said, are making absolutely no effort to accept Shilpa and they do make a huge deal whenever she makes a mistake. If I were Shilpa I think that I would definitely sense the bad vibe as well; they are not exactly subtle about the way they feel. I guess I feel a bit more empathetic towards her than I did yesterday. Anyways, the girls do definitiely need to grow up a wee bit and be much more tolerant of and kind to Shilpa; I think there is consensus on that.

As for Jack calling her a P*ki, I hadn't heard this until checking this thread a few minutes ago, but if it is indeed true then it is absolutely unforgiveable and I think he deserves everything he will get for making such an obsene (and perhaps less importantly, geographically incorrect) comment. My opinion of Jack had declined steadily over the past few days (from very low to start with) and is now at an irretrievable sub-zero level; In short, Jack's a twat!! My opinion on the three girls has lowered as well and I can't wait to see them get pulled apart by Davina when they eventually get evicted, being as they are completely oblivious to the furor that is going on outside the house. God dammit though, I still like the buubly side of Dani's personality.

Also, can people please stop talking about the accent mimicking thing because I think that is neither here nor there.

[on_mercury]

This whole thing has become absolutley radiculous. Shilpa can act very spoilt and stuck-up at times she as bad as them sometimes yes she is bullied at times but that doesnt mean she should get the sympathy vote and win.

[Sickfuc]