[Brother Leon]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

Moment they got shot. Wow he got super close to getting a police.

[Jack_]

Omah will you stop being obsessive ffs, I'm not Katie Price.

I fail to understand why I need to explain my point, it's pretty obvious. He says he's sorry that women had to witness this, but that is what Muslim women around the world are having to witness - which is a perfectly reasonable point, his means of going about it however are not, because as we all know 'an eye for an eye' doesn't work. This attack is supposed to be (in his eyes at least) just that, an eye for an eye act to make a political point against British foreign policy. I agree with Leon for the most part.

[Novo]

The way that guy fall after he got shot it was like a Ronaldo style dive

[Omah]

http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwic...hael-adebowale

The second suspect in the fatal attack on a soldier in Woolwich is named locally as 22-year-old Michael Adebowale, Channel 4 News can reveal.

A woman, who would not give her name, told Channel 4 News: "I know the family. I think Michael is a student at Greenwich University. I haven't seen him there for about three months. I don't know where he's been."

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

Moment they got shot. Wow he got super close to getting a police.

He didn't have a chance because he didn't have his car to drive over them first. And then decided to bring a knife to a gunfight.

[Nedusa]

I'm surprised he got so close to the armed response car but to look at it another way the closer he got the bigger target he made and the bullets would have more energy in them as they had less distance to travel,so in real terms he was just making the armed police officers jobs easier and certainly more effective...!!!

[lostalex]

I wish he killed himself.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I'm surprised he got so close to the armed response car but to look at it another way the closer he got the bigger target he made and the bullets would have more energy in them as they had less distance to travel,so in real terms he was just making the armed police officers jobs easier and certainly more effective...!!!

I think they had just pulled on to the scene hence they ran at the car just as armed police where getting out.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marc

Apparently people thought these two guys were helping him because there was a car crashed on the pavement. So people thought 'okay they're helping him'... until well, it was too late and they noticed. They had a gun too so I think people were too scared.

It's hard to say how anybody might act in that situation

this what happened for sure, people went thinking it was an accident and found them self's next to two murderers, there would have been more killed if not for the fact their sole motive was to kill a soldier.

[Nedusa]

Just listening to some radical imam talking about how the killing of this soldier was entirely justified and that the Muslims who carried out this attack will be praised by Allah himself. This Imam went on to say that all soldiers in UK serving or non serving are legitimate targets and it is the DUTY of all Muslims to kill them.

He went on to say that all Non believers of Islam are enemies of Islam. At this point I am thinking religion usually equates to moral code of living and love and peace !! But Wtf is all this talk of killing non believers ??

Am I missing something here.... Why are young Muslims being indoctrinated with this evil ?? Who is doing this, is it being peddled on the Internet either way makes for very difficult listening...!!!!

[lime]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

the thing that annoys me is the fact that he said 'an eye for an eye' when if really, if he was truly that bothered, he'd go back to his own country and fight back.

They were in their own country,they were born in Uk.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lime

They were in their own country,they were born in Uk.

Then he should have killed himself. He is British and his complaint is that the British have been killing Muslims, so why didn't he kill himself for being British?

[lime]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Then he should have killed himself. He is British and his complaint is that the British have been killing Muslims, so why didn't he kill himself for being British?

I would think they were expecting to be" martyred" because of the fact that they never left the scene and how they rushed at armed police waving their weapons.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lime

I would think they were expecting to be" martyred" because of the fact that they never left the scene and how they rushed at armed police waving their weapons.

It was pathetic watching him just stand there at the crime scene, talking to randoms, just waiting for cops to show up.

[Kizzy]

It is a political issue and nothing to do with religion, these fundamentalists are manipulating young muslims for their own political agenda.
They don't care about how many young men have to die to make their point, in exactly the same way as David Cameron doesn't care how many of our soldiers have to die.

It sort of is a religious issue. It would be impossible to use the dogma of the Jainism in a political manner like this, but Islam is an Abrahamic religion, and as such is very much open to the idea that killing everyone is a good way to win a debate.

The idea of Jihad and eye for an eye is found in the text.

[Kizzy]

It may be, if that is the case and they are acting purely as their religion dictates are those who are recruiting and radicalising not martyring themselves?
Why give all the glory and virgins to these young men?

I'm not disputing that they are being used, I'm just disputing it's not religious.

You could ask why our leaders don't put themselves on the front line as well in that case. Any army requires leaders and soldiers, and religious ones are no different.

I would introduce a law that requires the children of any mp (of the right age) to be drafted into the forces when the country goes to war. (that's a separate point, but it was on my mind).

[arista]

Its Religious and Political
and Fecking Evil.


He could not fight back as they drove into him first.


I hope they get killed in prison

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It may be, if that is the case and they are acting purely as their religion dictates are those who are recruiting and radicalising not martyring themselves?
Why give all the glory and virgins to these young men?

Such is the selfless predilection of those must lead but not follow into Paradise - it is, indeed, a dilemma that all commanders face - death or duty .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I'm not disputing that they are being used, I'm just disputing it's not religious.

You could ask why our leaders don't put themselves on the front line as well in that case. Any army requires leaders and soldiers, and religious ones are no different.

I would introduce a law that requires the children of any mp (of the right age) to be drafted into the forces when the country goes to war. (that's a separate point, but it was on my mind).

I said it wasn't religious, you said it was remember?
You are saying that they are using their muslim teachings to manipulate and influence in a strategic and political manner? Which is basically my point.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is a political issue and nothing to do with religion, these fundamentalists are manipulating young muslims for their own political agenda.
They don't care about how many young men have to die to make their point, in exactly the same way as David Cameron doesn't care how many of our soldiers have to die.

It's not a religious issue?? umm WHAT?

how many atheists have you seen murder someone and shout allah akbar? oh yea, ZERO.

Of course it's religious. If this guy wasn't a muslim he wouldn't have done what he did.

Saying he's not a "real" muslim is just like saying a muslim that drinks alcohol is not a real muslim. or saying a muslim woman who doesn't wear hijab is not a "real" muslim. You can't pick and choose who you think is a "real" muslim and who is not.

That being said, there are plenty of fanatics of all religions. Not just muslim. It is not only the religion of Islam that creates fanatics. just like not all members of the KKK kill black people, but the ideology does create hate. Not all KKK members have done evil things, but the ideology, the belief system does create a toxic environment. The KKK and Islam are the same when it comes to breeding hatred and violence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not a religious issue?? umm WHAT?

how many atheists have you seen murder someone and shout allah akbar? oh yea, ZERO.

Of course it's religious. If this guy wasn't a muslim he wouldn't have done what he did.

Saying he's not a "real" muslim is just like saying a muslim that drinks alcohol is not a real muslim. or saying a muslim woman who doesn't wear hijab is not a "real" muslim. You can't pick and choose who you think is a "real" muslim and who is not.

That being said, there are plenty of fanatics of all religions. Not just muslim. It is not only the religion of Islam that creates fanatics. just like not all members of the KKK kill black people, but the ideology does create hate. Not all KKK members have done evil things, but the ideology, the belief system does create a toxic environment.

You are going off at a tangent alex, simply I am saying the guy had a political grievance and message, this was not done in the name of religion even though he shouted 'praise to Allah' at the end.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are going off at a tangent alex, simply I am saying the guy had a political grievance and message, this was not done in the name of religion even though he shouted 'praise to Allah' at the end.

umm, what about the part where he said he's doing it because muslims are being killed and an attack on 1 muslim is an attack on all muslims? how is that not religious?

or the part where he said women shouldn't see this, because he thinks all women should be locked in their homes and serve their husbands?

Of course it was religious. If he wasn't religious do you think he would of done this? of course not.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I said it wasn't religious, you said it was remember?
You are saying that they are using their muslim teachings to manipulate and influence in a strategic and political manner? Which is basically my point.

There's a mix up there. You said it wasn't motivated by religion, I was disputing your opinion that it isn't. Meaning I disagreed with your initial premise.

My 2nd point was that any war requires an army, even a holy one. In any army (just as life) there is hierarchy. The generals send their soldiers into battle to die, they never send themselves to die.