[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its not different at all. the law still applies. if you factor in the intention which was pulling his pants down, exposing his private parts to millions of viewers, designed to humiliate him and also his friends and families. the law and the intent are totally against what she did. why did big brother wait hours before issuing her a verbal warning for these actions? if they deemed it inappropriate then why didn't they call her in straight away? oh I forgot they deliberately waited until it escalated. shame on them

He'd already got into the shower naked. Please stop trying to paint him as the victim and a little shrinking flower.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

What BB should and shouldn't have done about someone's pants being pulled down, and whether that decision would be the same for a male or a female is all just fogging the issue.

Whatever Hazel did does not warrant Daley putting his hands on her in an aggressive way. That's just the way it is. No amount of conjecture and "what ifs" will change the fact that he assaulted her.

The problem here is not about daley grabbing hazels throat. Its that some people will always push the blame on the victim. There is always something. Always some small justification for the reaction. Or over reaction.

Blame the woman. She flirted. Therefore she got what she deserved

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you want to talk about the law, truth, then you need to understand what is meant by "intent". You cannot equate what happened with Daley slapping Hazel and putting his hands around her throat with her yanking on his shorts.

I know some people on here don't like Hazel, but I am actually nauseated at the things that have been said about her, and I hope to God that none of you are called for jury service - ever.

I didn't compare? why are you saying that? youre comparing not me? the fact he lost the plot is rightly booted is irrelevant to us evaluating her behaviour? cant you distinguish between the 2? I thought you were supposed to have a legal brain?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

He'd already got into the shower naked. Please stop trying to paint him as the victim and a little shrinking flower.

neither are shrinking flowers, but she did pull down his shorts to expose his penis against his will , she jumped in his bed against his will, she took off his bed sheets against his will,,,,,it was a whole chain of events that she created , she was bang out of order and her intent was to deprive him of sleep, to humiliate him and to destroy his relationship outside the house.....she achieved all that and her actions were deplorable

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

I didn't compare? why are you saying that? youre comparing not me? the fact he lost the plot is rightly booted is irrelevant to us evaluating her behaviour? cant you distinguish between the 2? I thought you were supposed to have a legal brain?

I didn't say "compare". Why are you saying that?

I said "equate".

You're trying to show how Daley was "humiliated" and had his "private parts" put on show against his will.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And yes... if you want to debate the law with me... go for it. But don't insult me, please.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

neither are shrinking flowers, but she did pull down his shorts to expose his penis against his will , she jumped in his bed against his will, she took off his bed sheets against his will,,,,,it was a whole chain of events that she created , she was bang out of order and her intent was to deprive him of sleep, to humiliate him and to destroy his relationship outside the house.....she achieved all that and her actions were deplorable

Haha... stop it now.

[CaudleHalbard]

Well it will probably mean a big turnaround for Hazel in terms of her unpopularity.

Maybe that's why she's on top of the world today. Potential winner.... in her mind anyway!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I didn't say "compare". Why are you saying that?

I said "equate".

You're trying to show how Daley was "humiliated" and had his "private parts" put on show against his will.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And yes... if you want to debate the law with me... go for it. But don't insult me, please.

you insulted everyone who even questioned hazels actions by suggesting they should never do jury duty? bizarre. cant you see her behaviour was disgraceful?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Haha... stop it now.

it may be funny to you, which I find callous, but if its a joke, then hows about a broken relationship , broken home, lost access to child and who knows what will happen to daley? is any of that funny? don't you understand the effects last night had on him psychologically? hes not a bright bloke, clearly he has major issues. but his life will now be destroyed, she will make a fortune from this mess.....why is that funny>?

[MatthewS]

Big Brother could have called either of them into the diary at numerous points before it went too far, but they didn't. If they did, it would have stopped right away. It was obvious things were escalating and 'warnable' offences were readily occurring. I guess they thought it was good TV and just went with it. Daley will be held accountable for his actions, the public will know Hazel played it up and contributed to the escalation of the situation as well. But what about Big Brother? Where is the accountability for their actions, or lack thereof?

[the truth]

BB deserve to have the book thrown at them, theyre lucky it didn't get worse.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

you insulted everyone who even questioned hazels actions by suggesting they should never do jury duty? bizarre. cant you see her behaviour was disgraceful?

We're not actually here to talk about me.

And yes, while I would say some of her actions may have been questionable, she did not, in any way, deserve to be assaulted. And that's why I suggested some people would have made poor jurors, because the consensus seems to be with some people, that she was in some way asking for it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

it may be funny to you, which I find callous, but if its a joke, then hows about a broken relationship , broken home, lost access to child and who knows what will happen to daley? is any of that funny? don't you understand the effects last night had on him psychologically? hes not a bright bloke, clearly he has major issues. but his life will now be destroyed, she will make a fortune from this mess.....why is that funny>?

Hazel isn't in a relationship and she doesn't have a child.

Maybe Daley should have thought about all that heart-rending stuff you've spouted before he went sniffing after the model, and then assaulted her.

There is nothing funny about this situation. What's funny is your reaction to it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

BB deserve to have the book thrown at them, theyre lucky it didn't get worse.

What book is that then?

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

A man doing it to a woman has very different connotations, because of the way men generally have physical power over women. It crosses a very grey area.

I'm not saying Hazel didn't deserve her warning, but if she'd done that to me, I wouldn't be particularly bothered about it.

I think society views it differently when it's the other way around, but in my view, they can't use double-standards when it comes to warnings and punishments.

As long as BB can say that the only thing Daley would have got was a warning had he pulled her shorts down, then it's fair enough that Hazel only got a warning. But, I can't help thinking that they might have ejected a male housemate for doing that.. in which case, Hazel ought to have been ejected for it too.

Then again, when Charlie took that thing off Dexter when he was running around the garden, that's the same thing again. There's a very fine line between playing a prank and sexually assaulting someone. :/

[bez87]

Originally Posted by the truth

it may be funny to you, which I find callous, but if its a joke, then hows about a broken relationship , broken home, lost access to child and who knows what will happen to daley? is any of that funny? don't you understand the effects last night had on him psychologically? hes not a bright bloke, clearly he has major issues. but his life will now be destroyed, she will make a fortune from this mess.....why is that funny>?

how can you say that, like she was the one who pushed him, no one pushes anyone, he was the controlling one and if he didn't want anything to happen then he should of never done what he did, all she is guilty for is playing along at the beginning, and being silly enough to pull his pants down. she didn't grab his throat and tell him she was going to nut him,

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hazel isn't in a relationship and she doesn't have a child.

Maybe Daley should have thought about all that heart-rending stuff you've spouted before he went sniffing after the model, and then assaulted her.

There is nothing funny about this situation. What's funny is your reaction to it.

strange but I think youd be upset if a man tried to pull your knickers down in front of millions against your will?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bez87

how can you say that, like she was the one who pushed him, no one pushes anyone, he was the controlling one and if he didn't want anything to happen then he should of never done what he did, all she is guilty for is playing along at the beginning, and being silly enough to pull his pants down. she didn't grab his throat and tell him she was going to nut him,

I know , Im not excusing grabbing anyones throat as Ive said 101 times? daley is a nutjob who needs psychiatric help....Im delighted he was booted. that case is closed....all Im simply saying her behaviour was deplorable and she should have been evicted, BB should have stepped in way sooner. shame on them

[halfacrown]

It's hard to disagree with the OP, so I don't see why people are bringing in Daley's appalling behaviour as an argument against it.

Daley needs some form of re-education for his issues, as I think he's dangerous. Notwithstanding, Hazel should have been ejected too for what she did to Daley.

Violence has the potential to be deadly and must be guarded against vigorously but on the other hand some people would rather be given a black eye than have their genitals exposed on television against their will.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

No I do not. I see both sides and BB is often biased towards the female housemates, a fact proven by the fact denise welch never got booted for her grotesque abuse of fellow housemates over several weeks. I too could predict your inability to see both sides of this story and to see also what both people did wrong. your reaction is pretty funny to be honest you claim to be a legal eagle , sorry but you cant succeed at that game unless you look at both sides of every situation

So why is it that every year a female has been evicted first?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

So why is it that every year a female has been evicted first?

why do you spend so much time researching such a trivial stat?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

why do you spend so much time researching such a trivial stat?

What?

I didn't need to research that its common knowledge?

[armand.kay]

Actually no. Remember when sam pepper put his crotch in josies face did he get called to the diary room immediately? No! but he still got a warning. I think the producers didn't know it would escalade that much.

[MatthewS]

Guys (or gals?), can we stay on topic? You obviously don't see eye to eye and that's cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't know if this forum has an ignore function but it might be a good idea to use it and just move on, or maybe take your argument to PM. Just a suggestion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Guys (or gals?), can we stay on topic? You obviously don't see eye to eye and that's cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't know if this forum has an ignore function but it might be a good idea to use it and just move on, or maybe take your argument to PM. Just a suggestion.

yeah no problem , cheers matthew