[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Livia

That was not sexual assult. "Intent". Look it up.

And I'm sure Hazel will get booed. All the women will boo the beautiful model... same as always.

Exactly. The crowd almost always boo women, they almost always cheer the men, it's always driven Me insane-to Me it's just silly girls on a hero worship trip-trying not to say sexist or double standards"-but I think there's masses of bias on the show.

And I really think that Gina doesn't like Hazel because she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her. Which she is imo.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Speedster

she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her.

Wouldn't be hard!

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Wouldn't be hard!

Hehe no it wouldn't, would it? and she's got no clue about what colours suit her skin tone-bright blue and pink??? wtf!. The make-up artists took it all off and used much more natural tones on her.

[cheapbbfan]

It does take two to tangle and Hazel has been straddling along the line for quite some time. She's not completely innocent

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Exactly. The crowd almost always boo women, they almost always cheer the men, it's always driven Me insane-to Me it's just silly girls on a hero worship trip-trying not to say sexist or double standards"-but I think there's masses of bias on the show.

And I really think that Gina doesn't like Hazel because she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her. Which she is imo.

Yes... silly girls and insecure women. And I agree about Gina, I've thought that for a while.

[kate2013]

Two to tango means each owned a part to play. A person needs to own their inappropriate behaviour in an incident to prevent recreating it elsewhere.

Daley needs to accept that he chose to flirt with Hazel despite having a girlfiend. He needs to accept that he was willing to jeopardise his long term relationship for all the plans he had made in his head regarding him and Hazel. He could see the tipping point but he chose to tip it. Hazel cannot make him do that. Is Katies son his? did he ever disclose the existance of a child? these are things I don't know. He needs to accept his controlling behaviour and do what he needs to, to change it. He has an ideal in his head and sort to mould Hazel into it by commenting about her appearance. Hazel has the right to wear her make up as she wishes. So has any woman. The controlling was visible before the drinking. Alcohol only serves to affect peoples morals and judgement. When he already appears to be a troubled individual it does not bode well. Wherever this side of Daley came from, be it his upbringing in which he may have been subject to this type of control and violent aggression, or taught that its ok to treat a woman this way, he needs to learn it is not ok to act this way. It is only then he will be able to comfortably mix with others without fear of himself or others. I hope he moves on from this.

Hazel is controlling in the way she interacts with men. She got off in pressing herself on Daley with "cuddles" so she could give them a hard on, and walk away enjoying the power of it as Daley tried to cover himself. This is inappropriate behaviour and her psychological state has to be questioned as to why she feels the need to do this to men?
As Daley was battling with his conscience, new found celebrity status, ideals, and whether to go for it with Hazel if he could get confirmation that Katie was no longer interested, Hazel never had any real interest in Daley. When the housemates intervened and Hazel was booed and called a Homewrecker, she admitted the Daley thing was out of "boredom." In the safe house the fight for control between Daley and Hazel escalated and ended the only way it could when two people are of this mindset, drunk, on tv, and thinking about their status in the house and the show they are putting on. Hazel in her part demanding cuddles, then pulled his pants down showing all of Daleys genitals to the public without his permission. How would Hazel feel if Daley had pulled her knickers down exposing her vagina? She too should of been removed from the house for this action.



Finally, when everything had calmed down Big Brother (after interviewing an upset Katie) gave the viewers the opportunity to vote Daley and Hazel in to the safe house. An utterly disgraceful move in the face of the Katie inteview which shows that Ratings really do trump the concern for housemates or family members. I truly hope that both Hazel and Daley and his family take something positive from this now they have had the opportunity to see the shadow side of their characters and are able to look at what brought them about and how they can change them, obviously national tv isnt going to be the least shaming place to have witnessed them and been given the opportunity , but they've got to deal with this now and hopefully move on as more aware individuals.

As for Big Brother they need to start looking at their behaviour and call a halt on things before an unstable character ends up killing themselves as a result. Know your limits BB, and your duty of care.

[anne666]

Kate 2013, well said . I agree with everything other than she should have been evicted.He went completely OTT. BB wanted sexual activity in there to boost ratings and anything else that happened was immaterial. If they had got that any pants pulling down etc wouldn't have mattered at all to them. She has morally behaved appallingly but he went further than that.BB is responsible for so much and will get away with it all.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kate2013

Two to tango means each owned a part to play. A person needs to own their inappropriate behaviour in an incident to prevent recreating it elsewhere.

Daley needs to accept that he chose to flirt with Hazel despite having a girlfiend. He needs to accept that he was willing to jeopardise his long term relationship for all the plans he had made in his head regarding him and Hazel. He could see the tipping point but he chose to tip it. Hazel cannot make him do that. Is Katies son his? did he ever disclose the existance of a child? these are things I don't know. He needs to accept his controlling behaviour and do what he needs to, to change it. He has an ideal in his head and sort to mould Hazel into it by commenting about her appearance. Hazel has the right to wear her make up as she wishes. So has any woman. The controlling was visible before the drinking. Alcohol only serves to affect peoples morals and judgement. When he already appears to be a troubled individual it does not bode well. Wherever this side of Daley came from, be it his upbringing in which he may have been subject to this type of control and violent aggression, or taught that its ok to treat a woman this way, he needs to learn it is not ok to act this way. It is only then he will be able to comfortably mix with others without fear of himself or others. I hope he moves on from this.

Hazel is controlling in the way she interacts with men. She got off in pressing herself on Daley with "cuddles" so she could give them a hard on, and walk away enjoying the power of it as Daley tried to cover himself. This is inappropriate behaviour and her psychological state has to be questioned as to why she feels the need to do this to men?
As Daley was battling with his conscience, new found celebrity status, ideals, and whether to go for it with Hazel if he could get confirmation that Katie was no longer interested, Hazel never had any real interest in Daley. When the housemates intervened and Hazel was booed and called a Homewrecker, she admitted the Daley thing was out of "boredom." In the safe house the fight for control between Daley and Hazel escalated and ended the only way it could when two people are of this mindset, drunk, on tv, and thinking about their status in the house and the show they are putting on. Hazel in her part demanding cuddles, then pulled his pants down showing all of Daleys genitals to the public without his permission. How would Hazel feel if Daley had pulled her knickers down exposing her vagina? She too should of been removed from the house for this action.



Finally, when everything had calmed down Big Brother (after interviewing an upset Katie) gave the viewers the opportunity to vote Daley and Hazel in to the safe house. An utterly disgraceful move in the face of the Katie inteview which shows that Ratings really do trump the concern for housemates or family members. I truly hope that both Hazel and Daley and his family take something positive from this now they have had the opportunity to see the shadow side of their characters and are able to look at what brought them about and how they can change them, obviously national tv isnt going to be the least shaming place to have witnessed them and been given this opporyunity , but they've got to deal with this now and hopefully move on as more aware individuals.

As for Big Brother they need to start looking at their behaviour and call a halt on things begore an unstable character ends up killing themselves as a result. Know your limits BB, and your duty of care.

[bez87]

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley.
Forget the pants pulling moment, the moment he turned was well before that, and deep down we all know it changed when they went into the safe house, just by the way he was talking to her about the make-up something didn't sound right in my mind. We all have choices in life at any given moment.

Hazel did wrong by pulling his pants down, but from what she told Dan it was a bit of fun, i agree with her, i think she thought that this was his way of flirting, because he demanded she come back into the house and go to sleep like a good little girl. She was drunk he was drunk forget the camera's were even their i don't think neither of them really gave much thought to them, like some people on this board think their playing a game every moment of every day. This incident does not justify what happened next and it comes down all on Daley.

But give credit where it's due, Daley has apologized and understands completely what he has done. He does need help.

The one thing i didn't like about the interview was the it takes 2 to tango which when watching the show, she clearly says this when talking about the incident.
The other main big concern was, the talk about this whole girlfriend thing, this so called "KATIE" who we should all feel sorry for and all that, was back stage waiting for him, why was she even there, absolutely nothing came of that. What we have to remember is Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can and cannot say to him.

[Livia]

Sigh... I'm not going into the whole "assault and provocation" thing again... Everyone has has to be responsible for their own actions. But when one person strikes another, it's game over.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by bez87

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley


.

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bez87

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley.
Forget the pants pulling moment, the moment he turned was well before that, and deep down we all know it changed when they went into the safe house, just by the way he was talking to her about the make-up something didn't sound right in my mind. We all have choices in life at any given moment.

Hazel did wrong by pulling his pants down, but from what she told Dan it was a bit of fun, i agree with her, i think she thought that this was his way of flirting, because he demanded she come back into the house and go to sleep like a good little girl. She was drunk he was drunk forget the camera's were even their i don't think neither of them really gave much thought to them, like some people on this board think their playing a game every moment of every day. This incident does not justify what happened next and it comes down all on Daley.

But give credit where it's due, Daley has apologized and understands completely what he has done. He does need help.

The one thing i didn't like about the interview was the it takes 2 to tango which when watching the show, she clearly says this when talking about the incident.
The other main big concern was, the talk about this whole girlfriend thing, this so called "KATIE" who we should all feel sorry for and all that, was back stage waiting for him, why was she even there, absolutely nothing came of that. What we have to remember is Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can and cannot say to him.

My favoruite post of the day so far.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority.

I think he's talking about the assault. And like I've said about a squillion times... but one more time for the Queen: you cannot claim someone provoked you into striking them. That's not an opinion, that's the law.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think he's talking about the assault. And like I've said about a squillion times... but one more time for the Queen: you cannot claim someone provoked you into striking them. That's not an opinion, that's the law.

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean?

[bez87]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority.

Well if i'm a minority thinking that Daley threatening another human being for hardly any reason at all esp a woman then, the world has gone made, and no one has morals anymore, or dares to stand up and take resonsibility seems like we have become a world who would rather put the blame on everyone else. disgraceful

[bez87]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean?

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close to wanting to headbutt someone for nothing.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by bez87

Well if i'm a minority thinking that Daley threatening another human being for hardly any reason at all esp a woman then, the world has gone made, and no one has morals anymore, or dares to stand up and take resonsibility seems like we have become a world who would rather put the blame on everyone else. disgraceful

You are in a majority on here I think. Some however are in the category of the last part of your sentence. Running round in a wheel not aware of that.Claiming men have no self control so its all the womans fault .

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by bez87

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close.

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by bez87

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close to wanting to headbutt someone for nothing.

Well it does if you are a raging angry, misogynistic control freak who should never have been selected in the first place

[Livia]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about?

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean?

Hazel did not assault Daley.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about?

How many times are you going to go on repeating this. You have had answers , some of us disagree. You and others repeating the stuff that some disagree with will not change my viewpoint, at least, one iota.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?

slightly off topic but I'm curious. If you and me were having an argument and you took a couple of steps toward me, if I then raise my hand to stop you and a fight ensued, who would legally have started that?

[bez87]

Originally Posted by anne666

You are in a majority on here I think. Some however are in the category of the last part of your sentence. Running round in a wheel not aware of that.Claiming men have no self control so its all the womans fault .

Thanks, i mean some of the members here completely disgust me, how they hate someone so much they make it up in their own mind to justify this sort of behaviour that it comes down to the person they hate.

I mean do they live in the real world, seriously if i ran into a night club and pulled someones pants down and ran off, it would be a slap on the wrist and probably a chuckle from the police station and to say don't do it again. yes humilating but for a couple it's nothing but a bit of fun, she probably forgot about the camera's being drunk and the lights off, after 3weeks in their, the camera's are probably at the back of many of there minds by now.

If i told a woman that i may get angry and then choke her and tell her if she didn't respect me then i'd nut her, that would be at least a suspended jail sentence at least, thats the fact.

The whole lads and girls equals thing, it's more common that a lad would just laugh it off and carry on, but a girl is alot more emotional, i'm not being sexiest thats just the real world.

[bez87]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about?

There playful and in a court of law would not be classed as an assault :S do you even know the law or are you just clutching at straws just to wind everyone up lol