[Lee.]

I must actually text my friend! She adores porn, and the filthiest the better for her, but she also has a kid. I wonder how she feels about this?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I agree with you to a certain extent.. And as long as it isn't violent or degrading porn, I suppose an interest in it is healthy as a teenager

My daughter is 9 and although she doesn't search for pirn, she is at an age where she is curious about body parts etc.. She laughs hysterically every time she sees a naked bum.. Even a baby's bum on an advert will have her cackling away.. Now, she did a google search on "naked butts".. The results for such a search are not as innocent as she expected!

I just did a search with Google Safesearch on, and there's nothing too explicit there.

Originally Posted by Lee.

I must actually text my friend! She adores porn, and the filthiest the better for her, but she also has a kid. I wonder how she feels about this?

Pm me her number, and I'll text her about it.





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Please.
Please.
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[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Scott

i just think this entire thing is pointless

maybe i am being naive here but i think kids only become interested in this sort of thing once puberty starts (so around 12/13) and i doubt younger kids would go looking for porn or come across it by mistake

i just cant imagine an 8 year old girl using bing to search for hardcore anal fisting videos

and i think its actually healthy for older kids/teens to watch porn because its a completely normal thing to do

i actually think could have a detrimental effect and loads of kids will turn out like norman bates bc of this and end up murdering prostitutes and using their skin to make a cape or s/t

exactly

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's rather a bizarre hypothetical... Well looks like you're stuck till you find a place of your own, never mind.
Did men never wank before the internet was invented? no imagination these days....

i shouldn't need to buy my own house in order to have a wank to some porn...

it's not about imagination. times have change, we're taking a step back.

i've been watching porn since i was 12. and it's not a bad thing. it's helped me discover who i am. it's never done me any harm, i've never raped anyone because of it, i've never felt pressured to have sex, i've never watched anything illegal (that i know of). the whole situation is just ludicrous. 18 is the age that we're "allowed" to watch porn, yet the age of consent is 16. porn isn't restricted, but i couldn't come across child porn if i tried. i wouldn't try, but i bet if i did, i'd struggle greatly.

and as it goes for children watching it, they shouldn't. and that's down to their parents. if they activate adult content filters, there shouldn't be a problem. an 8 year old shouldn't even be on the computer that much anyway, they don't have facebook, they don't have tumblr, they'll play club penguin and that's about it. maybe watch something from CBBC on iplayer. but what baffles me is that fact that lazy parents are letting the government filter all porn, when it can be manually filtered through an anti-virus software.

also, people who are opposing this don't even watch porn, so of course it doesn't make it any more difficult for you.

Originally Posted by Jack_

Except he doesn't because he isn't in charge of his internet connection, neither am I, Zee, I assume numerous other people on this forum and in this country too...so how on earth is that fair? Are you now expecting us to sit down with our families and beg our parents to let us masturbate to bukkake? You'd have a point if the people I'm referring to were under 18, but we're not...and many people are about to put into this position all because some ignorant parents can't be arsed to take it upon themselves to protect their own children using the numerous pre-existing filters already widely available. Clearly some people have only been using the internet for a few years and are too clueless to educate themselves in order to ensure their poor little kids are protected from some cumshots and so the rest of us have to suffer.

Seriously, there are no pros to this legislation and the cons have been reeled off in this thread. It's intrusive and an invasion of privacy, it's pandering to lazy, ignorant parenting and a hysterically hypocritical tabloid, it's opening up the floodgates to more censorship and prying into people's personal lives and their online activity, it is laughably unfair to those who are of age but live in a household where they aren't in control of the internet connection, it has absolutely **** all to do with protecting children from child porn (which as I've already explained is extremely difficult to find regardless, though you seemed to ignore that) and, in the end...it is not going to change anything. If little Tommy has just got his first boner and he wants to find porn on Google cause his friends are talking about it and he's heard rumours about what it is and is intrigued, he will find away around it. And he will find it. Just like pretty much every other adolescent has done in the last decade.

preach

[Z]

I think if there was a targeted effort to ban inappropriate advertising on television and the internet then that would be fair enough... but advertising is getting smarter by the day with Google etc collating data about what you're searching for online and showing you adverts that are more relevant to you - so if your internet has been child proofed, there's (unless they've failed) no chance your kids will see porn adverts or underwear adverts and the like. Hollywood and pop music are ridiculously sexualised but it's all packaged in this subliminal manner because it's not explicitly sexual. Just there I was in the car and Bruno Mars's "Locked Out Of Heaven" was playing. A song explicitly about how great sex is. Kids sing along without even realising what they're singing about. I was a school teacher and saw 8 year old kids singing "I got a hangover" by Taio Cruz. This is just such a bizarre sting operation and it opens up so many possibilities for censorship that this goes so far beyond just being about porn and instead goes on to be about what people can and can't do in their spare time. You can't even get people to agree on what's acceptable and what isn't; it's so open to interpretation and abuse by authorities.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

Porn's a very regulated business; actors and actresses have frequent medical appointments to make sure they're disease free and their job is to have sex on camera so it's a pretty safe working environment when you're working for proper companies. Naturally there will of course be cases of people being forced into porn against their will; but that is prostitution, not pornography. Porn and prostitution are not the same thing. You make a completely valid point and I think it is important that illegal material is banned; but at the same time, people are already being vilified for being against this concept and at the heart of it all is morality, modesty, shame and humiliation. I don't think politics has any right to influence any of those human emotions.

Then opt out... It really is that simple zee, there's no shame in it as you say and nobody is going to come to your door and look disapprovingly at you.
I have said why I agree, it may seem extreme to do this now but seems to me there is a rising tide of illegal behaviour.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I agree with you to a certain extent.. And as long as it isn't violent or degrading porn, I suppose an interest in it is healthy as a teenager

My daughter is 9 and although she doesn't search for pirn, she is at an age where she is curious about body parts etc.. She laughs hysterically every time she sees a naked bum.. Even a baby's bum on an advert will have her cackling away.. Now, she did a google search on "naked butts".. The results for such a search are not as innocent as she expected!

that's your fault. of course children are going to laugh when a bum comes on the tv, it's an aspect of immaturity that children go through.

and the fact she was able to search naked butts on the internet is your fault. she was unsupervised and you clearly don't have a proper filtering software on your computer.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I just did a search with Google Safesearch on, and there's nothing too explicit there.

My daughter is 9. She's not stupid. She knows how to switch safe search off

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then opt out... It really is that simple zee, there's no shame in it as you say and nobody is going to come to your door and look disapprovingly at you.
I have said why I agree, it may seem extreme to do this now but seems to me there is a rising tide of illegal behaviour.

If it's to crackdown on child porn, extreme porn or bestiality, then I understand, but there are other ways to block those types.

And even blocking those particular types of porn wouldn't mean the end of it. A lot of it isn't even accessible through a google search anyway, because it's heavily hidden as it's highly illegal. Kids wouldn't be able to access it if they tried. I couldn't access it if I tried.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

idg why simulated rape porn is being made illegal either

do people really think that watching that sort of stuff makes the viewer go out and do it

i liked watching the saw movies doesn't mean im gonna kidnap people and torture them to death kmt

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

My daughter is 9. She's not stupid. She knows how to switch safe search off

Make sure she doesn't then. The fact that YOUR child is coming across she shouldn't be is YOUR fault. It's not mine, nor is it anyone else's.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

My daughter is 9. She's not stupid. She knows how to switch safe search off

Its there for a reason, and how does she know how to switch it off? and why would she switch it off?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Scott

idg why simulated rape porn is being made illegal either

do people really think that watching that sort of stuff makes the viewer go out and do it

i liked watching the saw movies doesn't mean im gonna kidnap people and torture them to death kmt

exactly tbh i don't even watch stimulated rape but i watched AHS and Dr Arden cut off Shelley's legs but I didn't go out and do it to Kizzy

[Firewire]

It's going to make sex taboo again. Sex shouldn't be taboo. Masturbation shouldn't be taboo. They're two perfectly normal things, so I don't understand why it should be restricted or why it shouldn't be "normal". It's normal to watch porn, so why make it something that we shouldn't be doing?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i have a simulated rape video in my favorites on xtube its these 2 guys in a gym and the dom catches the other guy looking at him in the locker room so he ties him to the bench with his shoelaces and rapes him and its really hot bye

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

that's your fault. of course children are going to laugh when a bum comes on the tv, it's an aspect of immaturity that children go through.

and the fact she was able to search naked butts on the internet is your fault. she was unsupervised and you clearly don't have a proper filtering software on your computer.

It wasn't on my computer it was on her iPod.. And I did install a child safe web browser and changed all her settings to a safe level. She uninstalled the safe browser and reinstalled safari.
Kids are very computer literate nowadays.. And I can check what she's searching for on her own devices, but Internet access isn't just restricted to home anymore.. They have Internet at school, in the library, on their phones, on their tablets, iPods, games consoles, grandmas house, their friends houses...

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then opt out... It really is that simple zee, there's no shame in it as you say and nobody is going to come to your door and look disapprovingly at you.
I have said why I agree, it may seem extreme to do this now but seems to me there is a rising tide of illegal behaviour.

There shouldn't be any shame in it, and yet there is. I never got sex education at school or from my parents. I just sort of figured it out through a combination of TV, films, porn, friends and common sense. It's embarrassing for both parents and children to have to talk about sex. Talking about where babies come from is one thing, but talking about sex is another. Parents don't want to think of their children as sexual beings and vice versa. But perhaps someone will come to my door and look disapprovingly at me. An opt in/opt out system is a very definitive step towards being monitored by the government - a dubious but perhaps necessary measure. Then who's to say what will happen next? You're listed as a household that is able to watch pornography and your ISP has you on the opt in or opt out list. There'll probably be a rise in router hacks and proxy usage as people get smarter about how they try and watch porn. If people want something badly enough, they'll go and get it (from the pursuit of equality and civil rights to sex (rape) and murder...) and this is no different - much better to cut the crap out rather than do a blanket ban and create a black market of porn that'll be even more unregulated than how things are now because you have people wanting legal porn and illegal porn all shopping around in the same banned market place. Prime market being teenage boys and men with high sex drives who agreed to opt in to the porn ban against their will.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Except he doesn't because he isn't in charge of his internet connection, neither am I, Zee, I assume numerous other people on this forum and in this country too...so how on earth is that fair? Are you now expecting us to sit down with our families and beg our parents to let us masturbate to bukkake? You'd have a point if the people I'm referring to were under 18, but we're not...and many people are about to put into this position all because some ignorant parents can't be arsed to take it upon themselves to protect their own children using the numerous pre-existing filters already widely available. Clearly some people have only been using the internet for a few years and are too clueless to educate themselves in order to ensure their poor little kids are protected from some cumshots and so the rest of us have to suffer.

Seriously, there are no pros to this legislation and the cons have been reeled off in this thread. It's intrusive and an invasion of privacy, it's pandering to lazy, ignorant parenting and a hysterically hypocritical tabloid, it's opening up the floodgates to more censorship and prying into people's personal lives and their online activity, it is laughably unfair to those who are of age but live in a household where they aren't in control of the internet connection, it has absolutely **** all to do with protecting children from child porn (which as I've already explained is extremely difficult to find regardless, though you seemed to ignore that) and, in the end...it is not going to change anything. If little Tommy has just got his first boner and he wants to find porn on Google cause his friends are talking about it and he's heard rumours about what it is and is intrigued, he will find away around it. And he will find it. Just like pretty much every other adolescent has done in the last decade.

Maybe this is it, if the main householder is the one held responsible maybe that is the reason for it?
then if someone accesses illegal material that person is liable?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Make sure she doesn't then. The fact that YOUR child is coming across she shouldn't be is YOUR fault. It's not mine, nor is it anyone else's.

I'm not blaming you or anybody else... I'd just like hardcore pirnography not to be an option for kids.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

It wasn't on my computer it was on her iPod.. And I did install a child safe web browser and changed all her settings to a safe level. She uninstalled the safe browser and reinstalled safari.
Kids are very computer literate nowadays.. And I can check what she's searching for on her own devices, but Internet access isn't just restricted to home anymore.. They have Internet at school, in the library, on their phones, on their tablets, iPods, games consoles, grandmas house, their friends houses...

She's 9, why does she have an iPod?

This is bull****. Your 9 year old daughter in no way would know how to re-install Safari onto an iPod as well as unblocking all of the safe settings.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It's going to make sex taboo again. Sex shouldn't be taboo. Masturbation shouldn't be taboo. They're two perfectly normal things, so I don't understand why it should be restricted or why it shouldn't be "normal". It's normal to watch porn, so why make it something that we shouldn't be doing?

Well if it isn't taboo and if its normal, everybody should be happy enough to opt in.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'm not blaming you or anybody else... I'd just like hardcore pirnography not to be an option for kids.

But I don't want porn to be restricted so your kids don't come across a nipple on the internet.

Kids will not go searching for hardcore pornography. They will not find it searching "hairdressing games".

If you had a son, and he was going through puberty he would watch porn and masturbate, even if you blocked it. It happens. It's a part of growing up. I don't understand why it's such a big no-no.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yes, because parents are thinking about their kids and childless people's lives are solely their own, they don't have to take responsibility for other people, so of course their views are different on this. That's part of growing up, coming into contact with sex and sexual images. Should we ban rom coms for promoting the idea that sex and love are intricately linked? Sex scenes in films are a no go; are we going to revert to a time when it was shocking to show Fred and Wilma Flintstone in bed together? I mean really - that is exactly what this proposal is promoting. An opt in would be fine if it was a personal choice offered to every individual person - but it isn't; it's an ISP measure and the person paying the internet bill will be the one to decide. Anyone over the age of 18, i.e. a legal adult wishing to view legal activity, is either having to pay for a separate porn connection (and how ridiculous is that?) or having to go along with a chastity ban. Are we living in the 19th century?

As Kizzy has already pointed out men (and women) were perfectly able to view porn long before the internet was invented. My goodness talk about how spoilt this generation is.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Well if it isn't taboo and if its normal, everybody should be happy enough to opt in.

If it isn't taboo and it was normal, we wouldn't need to opt-in.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

She's 9, why does she have an iPod?

This is bull****. Your 9 year old daughter in no way would know how to re-install Safari onto an iPod as well as unblocking all of the safe settings.

Ok, I made it all up.