[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My heart bleeds....

My heart bleeds for all the poor little children that may have seen Brooklyn being pounded in the front and back all because their ignorant parents haven't taken it upon themselves to make sure that they're monitoring their children's internet usage and have made a sufficient effort to use all the available existing filters

[Marc]

Kids will still find ways of seeing porn. Nothing will change.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm deluded?....
You are an 18yr old MAN, get your own internet connection opt out and wank away if you are so bothered

How do you propose he "gets his own internet connection"?

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think anything gives you that right. If you want to have an asphyxy wank every day of the week I don't have a problem with that. By the same token, if you - or I - want to view porn in the privacy of your own home, I don't have a problem with that either. Not being able to do it in case someone's kid has access to an unfiltered computer...? No, I don't hold with that at all. If you have kids, it's your responsibility.

I'm in complete agreement with the responsibilities here, but if you insert yourself into someones bedroom to make judgments about what they can or can't do, then you open yourself up to a world of trouble. If they stay out of my bedroom, then I have no interest in finding out how Mr.Cameron likes masturbating to midget scat porn, but try to get between me, some hand cream, and a box of Kleenex, we gon' have a problem.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Chewy

How do you propose he "gets his own internet connection"?

This

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Why should I need to do that, though?

Why not? if you want to access porn pay for a connection and do it.
I find it hilarious that some are wringing their hands at the prospect of this change, it wont affect your life in the slightest... All you have to say is 'opt out' and your porn is there once again

[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't say I've ever really seen any "made for women" porn... Is there like a back-story, a couple of scenes about shoe shopping some crashing waves and soaring music... and they all get married in the end and live happily ever after?

David Cameron is a prude. He's desperately trying to win back to the party the thin-lipped head-shakers and hand-wringers that had such a problem with gay marriage. That's a generalisation, but that doesn't make it wrong.

I don't really know, I think there's more focus on the man rather than the woman as is usually the case in porn (i.e. worms eye view to see the action...)

You're spot on with that. He's just trying to win support back by playing to traditional right wing views after years of centrist politics. Lib/Lab will respond in kind and we'll go back to polarising politics and then they'll all return to the centre in another 20-30 years.

Men make lots of money out of porn too, incidentally, but only if they do gay porn, hence the rise of 'gay for pay'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Exactly. Women don't do porn because they're forced to, it's because they want to.

Are you 100% certain of that?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why not? if you want to access porn pay for a connection and do it.
I find it hilarious that some are wringing their hands at the prospect of this change, it wont affect your life in the slightest... All you have to say is 'opt out' and your porn is there once again

But I can't opt out, I'm not in charge of my household. I also shouldn't need to pay for another internet connection to access it.

What if you were made to pay for another internet connection just to view this forum, for example?

[Z]

The opt out clause is akin to asking someone their sexual preference on the census (which they don't do) - people are not going to be honest for a whole variety of reasons that don't include "because I'm a deviant".

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you 100% certain of that?

It depends what kind of porn we're talking here.

And to be honest, I couldn't care less. The porn I watch has no women in it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

How do you propose he "gets his own internet connection"?

That's not my problem is it?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not my problem is it?

Then why suggest something that you don't have a proper answer for?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not my problem is it?

That's a bit of a cop out awnser.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you 100% certain of that?

Porn's a very regulated business; actors and actresses have frequent medical appointments to make sure they're disease free and their job is to have sex on camera so it's a pretty safe working environment when you're working for proper companies. Naturally there will of course be cases of people being forced into porn against their will; but that is prostitution, not pornography. Porn and prostitution are not the same thing. You make a completely valid point and I think it is important that illegal material is banned; but at the same time, people are already being vilified for being against this concept and at the heart of it all is morality, modesty, shame and humiliation. I don't think politics has any right to influence any of those human emotions.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Zee

Porn's a very regulated business; actors and actresses have frequent medical appointments to make sure they're disease free and their job is to have sex on camera so it's a pretty safe working environment when you're working for proper companies. Naturally there will of course be cases of people being forced into porn against their will; but that is prostitution, not pornography. Porn and prostitution are not the same thing. You make a completely valid point and I think it is important that illegal material is banned; but at the same time, people are already being vilified for being against this concept and at the heart of it all is morality, modesty, shame and humiliation. I don't think politics has any right to influence any of those human emotions.

Which is not produced from proper porn industries. Porn industries are safe and legit, and will lose out massively with this ridiculous bill.

[Shaun]

Oh well. I'm sure it'll be about as successful as this war on illegal downloading

[Cherry Christmas]

It's pretty easy to spot the people with no kids on this thread. You can supervise all you like but you cannot legislate for what their mates parents allow them to do at their house, or what they can view on someones phone at school or at an after school club, Im talking primary school kids here whose doting parents give them smart phones at age 6/7. You can opt in to view so I don't see why anyone could consider their liberties invaded.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i just think this entire thing is pointless

maybe i am being naive here but i think kids only become interested in this sort of thing once puberty starts (so around 12/13) and i doubt younger kids would go looking for porn or come across it by mistake

i just cant imagine an 8 year old girl using bing to search for hardcore anal fisting videos

and i think its actually healthy for older kids/teens to watch porn because its a completely normal thing to do

i actually think could have a detrimental effect and loads of kids will turn out like norman bates bc of this and end up murdering prostitutes and using their skin to make a cape or s/t

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

But I can't opt out, I'm not in charge of my household. I also shouldn't need to pay for another internet connection to access it.

What if you were made to pay for another internet connection just to view this forum, for example?

That's rather a bizarre hypothetical... Well looks like you're stuck till you find a place of your own, never mind.
Did men never wank before the internet was invented? no imagination these days....

[Ramsay]

I must say. the last 12 pages have been a very interesting read...but so help me god if it happens over here though

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why not? if you want to access porn pay for a connection and do it.
I find it hilarious that some are wringing their hands at the prospect of this change, it wont affect your life in the slightest... All you have to say is 'opt out' and your porn is there once again

Except he doesn't because he isn't in charge of his internet connection, neither am I, Zee, I assume numerous other people on this forum and in this country too...so how on earth is that fair? Are you now expecting us to sit down with our families and beg our parents to let us masturbate to bukkake? You'd have a point if the people I'm referring to were under 18, but we're not...and many people are about to put into this position all because some ignorant parents can't be arsed to take it upon themselves to protect their own children using the numerous pre-existing filters already widely available. Clearly some people have only been using the internet for a few years and are too clueless to educate themselves in order to ensure their poor little kids are protected from some cumshots and so the rest of us have to suffer.

Seriously, there are no pros to this legislation and the cons have been reeled off in this thread. It's intrusive and an invasion of privacy, it's pandering to lazy, ignorant parenting and a hysterically hypocritical tabloid, it's opening up the floodgates to more censorship and prying into people's personal lives and their online activity, it is laughably unfair to those who are of age but live in a household where they aren't in control of the internet connection, it has absolutely **** all to do with protecting children from child porn (which as I've already explained is extremely difficult to find regardless, though you seemed to ignore that) and, in the end...it is not going to change anything. If little Tommy has just got his first boner and he wants to find porn on Google cause his friends are talking about it and he's heard rumours about what it is and is intrigued, he will find away around it. And he will find it. Just like pretty much every other adolescent has done in the last decade.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Karl

I must say. the last 12 pages have been a very interesting read...but so help me god if it happens over here though

I doubt it Karl, can you imagine our lazy ass politicians trying to get something like that done lol

[Z]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's pretty easy to spot the people with no kids on this thread. You can supervise all you like but you cannot legislate for what their mates parents allow them to do at their house, or what they can view on someones phone at school or at an after school club, Im talking primary school kids here whose doting parents give them smart phones at age 6/7. You can opt in to view so I don't see why anyone could consider their liberties invaded.

Yes, because parents are thinking about their kids and childless people's lives are solely their own, they don't have to take responsibility for other people, so of course their views are different on this. That's part of growing up, coming into contact with sex and sexual images. Should we ban rom coms for promoting the idea that sex and love are intricately linked? Sex scenes in films are a no go; are we going to revert to a time when it was shocking to show Fred and Wilma Flintstone in bed together? I mean really - that is exactly what this proposal is promoting. An opt in would be fine if it was a personal choice offered to every individual person - but it isn't; it's an ISP measure and the person paying the internet bill will be the one to decide. Anyone over the age of 18, i.e. a legal adult wishing to view legal activity, is either having to pay for a separate porn connection (and how ridiculous is that?) or having to go along with a chastity ban. Are we living in the 19th century?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Scott

i just think this entire thing is pointless

maybe i am being naive here but i think kids only become interested in this sort of thing once puberty starts (so around 12/13) and i doubt younger kids would go looking for porn or come across it by mistake

i just cant imagine an 8 year old girl using bing to search for hardcore anal fisting videos

and i think its actually healthy for older kids/teens to watch porn because its a completely normal thing to do

i actually think could have a detrimental effect and loads of kids will turn out like norman bates bc of this and end up murdering prostitutes and using their skin to make a cape or s/t

I agree with you to a certain extent.. And as long as it isn't violent or degrading porn, I suppose an interest in it is healthy as a teenager

My daughter is 9 and although she doesn't search for pirn, she is at an age where she is curious about body parts etc.. She laughs hysterically every time she sees a naked bum.. Even a baby's bum on an advert will have her cackling away.. Now, she did a google search on "naked butts".. The results for such a search are not as innocent as she expected!