But then that's really just magical thinking, Ammi. Whatever way you dress it up.

When someone makes a claim about what they had for lunch, or that they're going out with friends, I don't need proof, but if someone is making claims about what happens after death, then I sort of see that as a completely different thing. I'm not talking about people who are "open" to it, but those that actually believe it.

Whatever gets you through your day.

I feel this thread has sort of reached an impasse, and we'll all go round in circles from this point on. I suggest, that on the count of 3 that everybody retreats slowly and finds their nearest available exit.