[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes most certainly she has kept him dangling like a puppet for too long, so glad he knows what a gameplayer she is now.

I dislike her intently now, she has had a bye to the final few weeks due to the fact that she kept up two relationships, now she thinks she doesnt need Callum anymore, she cuts him loose

I would love her to get kicked out before final night but Im running out of evictions for people I dont like lol

Only 4 weeks to go and I hate 5 lol

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by DanaC

She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.

well said Dana, its very easy to get someone to stop touching you, just tell them to STOP touching you!

[CaudleHalbard]

Well, looks like Charlie's game plan is working. Both her house "boyfriends" are up and so is Hazel.

I am suspicious of the friendship between Charlie 'I know how Daley must've felt' Travers and Hazel, actually.

Could Charlie be the most effective game player in there?

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Well, looks like Charlie's game plan is working. Both her house "boyfriends" are up and so is Hazel.

I am suspicious of the friendship between Charlie 'I know how Daley must've felt' Travers and Hazel, actually.

Could Charlie be the most effective game player in there?

Neither of them really like each other at all, the only reason they came together was because Hazel dumped Dan when she thought she could have a 'story' with Daley, then Charlie and her Mum became Dans bezzies

When Hazel got her just desserts, she came running back to Dan andn had to put up with the fact that Charlie was there, and Charlie had to put up with her

There is no love lost there

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by DanaC

She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.

..that's a very well thought out post Dana and I do agree with it mostly but I also think that Charlie is equally as socially inept and she could have done things differently/handled it differently in an 'ideal world' but I don't think she's any more capable of doing that as Callum is, so it's ended up with her feeling not comfortable in some way and not communicating that properly and him being very hurt by what he sees as a 'betrayal' and not being able to understand her nomination...it's just two people with very poor communication skills....whether she would have nominated him face to face, we'll never know unless they both get that opportunity in the future...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes she did stab him in the back. I'm not a fan of either of them, but I notice Charlie still wants to hug him and hang all over him. And all the stuff she told him that she'd said in the diary room was a complete fabrication... BB needs to play in the full nominations and not just the edited highlights.

What made me laugh most was sleazy Dexter earwigging the whole conversation between Charlie and Callum. He's so awful...

100% agree Livia, Callum wears his heart on his sleeve,its so obvious he likes her,she KNOWS that but does NOTHING to distance herself,infact she's the opposite.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Neither of them really like each other at all, the only reason they came together was because Hazel dumped Dan when she thought she could have a 'story' with Daley, then Charlie and her Mum became Dans bezzies

When Hazel got her just desserts, she came running back to Dan andn had to put up with the fact that Charlie was there, and Charlie had to put up with her

There is no love lost there

Have to disagree here hazel and dan have been the only real friendship in the house, nothing else has reduced hazel to tears except dan leaving.

[anne666]

A stake through the heart is the only way with him.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by anne666

A stake through the heart is the only way with him.

[lime]

No she did not stab him in the back.He makes her feel uneasy and she is uncomfortable around him so of course she wants him out of the house.

Hazel (who I don't like) said it so well to Dexter a couple of days ago,Charlie is aware that both fancy her but they are stuck in a small place and she has to talk to them but that does not mean she fancies them or is loyal to them.

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have to disagree here hazel and dan have been the only real friendship in the house, nothing else has reduced hazel to tears except dan leaving.

Disagree. Sam and callum is wayyyyyyy more genuine.
In no time in this process has callum left Sam high and dry like hazel did with dan.
And there's no time in this process Sam has left callum high and dry like hazel did with dan.

[anne666]

He's as mad as a box of frogs. Sam's just another victim for him.

[Vicky.]

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

I agree with that actually

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, I don't think so, I don't see why she owes him anything just because he fancies her

A very good point that a lot of people seem to have missed spectacularly.

[joeysteele]

I think she certainly stabbed him in the back because she is as many have said stringing him along, she is also very much aware that the last time he was up for eviction he was in danger of going, by being one of the last 2 housemates waiting to hear who was evicted.

With that knowledge and knowing he nearly went that week, to then nominate him to be up this week was quite a remarkable and rotten thing to do. She had other choices and if she had done it to me,I would have told her to clear off in no uncertain terms.
I hate backstabbers and 2 faced people and to me Charlie is both those things.
As well as what others say about her too as to being a 'user'.another very nasty thing to be on its own.

[camertone]

charlie is 2 faced nasty backstabbing bitch.

[Jemal]

You can't bloody say "i adore you and I love our deep meaningful chats, i love your hugs. You comfort me" and then have a great and close week. And them nominate him? And then have the cheek to say i couldn't nominate other people because im close enough with everyone here. Im sorry but that is complete and utter moose piss.
I mean i dont want Sam to get nommed and callum said the same but Jesus, coach made a good point, "if im your closest comfort, why would you nominate me to leave the house"
She could of easily nommed Sam and Sophie but she knows their supposedly popular on the outside.
Imo shes very calculated and she has a full on game plan.

[erinp5]

No,she had nommed him before and she told him this .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by erinp5

No,she had nommed him before and she told him this .

True. She can nominate who she wants. The reason is valid enough.

[Kazanne]

He clearly thought she was a friend,she clearly isn't bothered although she tells him she is,of course the guy is confused and hurt,she's up and down more than a hoes knickers.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

Agree.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Im_Juz_ChiLLin

Charlie's Decision was not very calculating, Charlie has nominated Callum for 3 weeks in a row..... before any poll results, she don't owe him anything because when a girls says no it means no, everyone saw live feed last night the emotional blackmail was being played out by only Callum waht a loser stalekr psycho that Callum is he makes me sick....

Yep hes a freak...

He just inflicts himself on her and his little boy lost routine (totally fake) has ensured that Charlie wont tell him to his face what every fibre of her being is screaming 'leave me the ****** alone and stop forcing your wordly wisdom down my throat'

The sad lost part of her (the part that ended up an addict) identifies with his patheticness and she pities him I think, she wants to be liked to much to tell him to his face what she really thinks. But note she never defends him when the others are slating him. Same with Dexter there is part of her that likes him but in the real world she wouldnt talk to either of them. Difference is Callum is more needy and feels she owes him something for his imparted wisdom which amounts to...

'your amazing'
'your beautiful'
'soar'
'you can do anything'
yadda yadda

Hes a total bellend and I cant believe people like him

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She's stringing him along for airtime. She does not like him at all. The live feed convo only came about because he made her feel bad for nominating him so she started with her verbal diarrhea to explain herself in an awkward position. She keeps him hanging on though, simply because she knows shes boring without the love triangle rubbish(though perosnally the love triangle is boring me more than anything else) Its quite bad to watch really..as I think he is genuinely smitten..and shes taking the piss out of him.

I don't think she stabbed him in the back by nominating him, as they all have to nominate someone and she nominated him as he makes her feel uncomfortable (as she has done previously) however its **** that she does that as its HER that is encouraging his behaviour. She was (and is) extremely twofaced though when it comes to callum (and Dex to a lesser extent)

No, it isn't. On HL this week we saw Callum say it was a beautiful day, walk over to Charlie, and demand a hug. He follows her around in equal measure, and he initiates contact with her, it's not Charlie tells him to go away, then Charlie goes to him and gives in. Look at how he treated her on the LF, and that's obviously not an isolated incident. By the end of the feed, BB put up a web clip that totally misrepresented that conversation to look like Charlie had gone to Callum and tried to over-explain to him, leaving out that he had her in tears and basically blackmailed her for a half hour before it ever got to that point. How many other times have we seen "Charlie going to Callum" when it was really Callum going to Charlie like last night?

Just like the argument earlier about her saying she "adored" him. It conveniently leaves out that she listed every single hm by name and said that she adored them, too, Callum got irritated, and cut her off. If the viewers are willing to edit out Callum's behavior on their own, and obviously BB is as well, how can anyone be sure it's "always" Charlie?