[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Thank goodness I am not the only be that sees it this way.

I'm sorry but Josy is incorrect on the last comment about he has never said he will give money to charity. He did say that in his final speech VT. he will give 25% to charity. Also why say that then and not wait until he leaves the house and if he has won then announce it like Craig did on BB1?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I'm sorry but Josy is incorrect on the last comment about he has never said he will give money to charity. He did say that in his final speech VT. he will give 25% to charity.

That clip will probably be shown tonight..

The point in my post still stands though, he doesn't constantly bring up deaf children like some have suggested.

And even now he has said he would give some to charity, he isn't the only housemate to have said that.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by sampvt

A game and a game plan differs depending on your morality scale and I am still believing that sams game plan is far less evil than some of the others. His GP is direct and very easy to see. Dexters and indeed Gina and Charlies depends on stealth, deception and lies. Its up to you to decide who is the winner in the GP stakes.

Some good points in there and it's certainly worth some thought.
Although if you're playing the good guy one moment and the aggressor (not saying he is but we'll see) later then you've changed your gameplan and it's arguably the same (though I don't necessarily see it as bad or evil)

Difference and trouble with Sam is, there are external moral issues from the outside world being dragged in.
Whether they should be is all up for debate.

But if you're playing the straight man on a moral platform, expect to be questioned for your GP whether you should or shouldn't be judged.

Although it's fair to note, Sam made an issue of them by taking them into the house.

That's why I prefer to focus on people's tactics and if they're playing their game well than jumping on any moral high horse.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Josy

That clip will probably be shown tonight..

The point in my post still stands though, he doesn't constantly bring up deaf children like some have suggested.

And even now he has said he would give some to charity, he isn't the only housemate to have said that.

He does bring up the subject yes, but i wouldn't say constantly. He would be best not to bring it up in the finals stages cos it's only gonna be seen one way.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

He has repeatedly mentioned he is in BB as a role model for deaf and disabled kids. He is trying to tug our heartstrings.

We know a little bit about what the REAL Sam is like now. An anti-social nuisance in his community. Some role model!

He is an aggressive loutish character but has kept that under wraps by sleeping his way through 90% of the series. Now when we are coming to the end and he's fearful of not getting what he sees is rightfully his, he's turning aggressively on the person who he feels may get the cash he thinks has been earmarked for him from Day 1.

This

[Videostar]

Does it really matter who does what with the prize money if they win? why does anyone care about that?

This isn't a charity fund raising programme, this is an entertainment show, the best HM should win.

BTW, I don't believe for one second that Sam will give the money to charity.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Josy

That clip will probably be shown tonight..

The point in my post still stands though, he doesn't constantly bring up deaf children like some have suggested.

Well perhaps he should.
Then we could learn something of use about these deafness issues.
If his gameplan was to raise awareness then has he put enough effort in ?

Originally Posted by Josy

And even now he has said he would give some to charity, he isn't the only housemate to have said that.

Fair enough but he also said he didn't want the money.

I wouldn't say he's an 'immorral hypocrite' or anything, just that his gameplan's been busted somewhat. (although hey, who's hasn't ?)

[cfromhx02]

People referring to Sam being a bully and being against him for saying he'd give some of his money to charity are a bit rich.

Haven't Dexter and Gina been lying about others and setting them up to be evicted all series.

That's why the others have had to stay quiet, Dexter and Gina's tactics of lying about and trying to turn people against their opponents has led to some, who were wise enough to stay quiet to avoid being set up for eviction, that has led others to be boring.

Now that's what I call bullying and now that the most honest and decent one who stayed quiet till he was able to speak up and not get evicted like all the others they targeted and got evicted IE Sallie,Jemima etc everyone really is speaking up he is ironically being accused of the same things Gina and Dexter have been up to and worshipped for all series.

Like I've said as has been witnessed everytime anyone stood up to them Gina and Dexter got them evicted, it shows who the real bullies are and it shows that bullies are good at giving out s**t to their opponents but can't take it and whinge when it comes back

[sampvt]

On the question of giving money away to charity......I don't have a hotline to mystic meg and neither do other FM,s so why are we accusing these HM,s of lying. Maybe Gina and Dexter will take the money and run and Sam might give it all away. Who are we to accuse or suggest who is wrong without evidence. Isnt that what Dexter and ginas supporters have been saying all along....IE We don't care about outside the house or even things that cant be proved. I see no argument about what or who will do after the show is finished so we don't reserve the right to slag them off devoid of evidence.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Does it really matter who does what with the prize money if they win? why does anyone care about that?

It's a great point !

But if people like Sam say they don't want the money one moment and then claim they do, you start to wonder if their gameplan has been rumbled.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Well perhaps he should.
Then we could learn something of use about these deafness issues.
If his gameplan was to raise awareness then has he put enough effort in ?


Fair enough but he also said he didn't want the money.

I wouldn't say he's an 'immorral hypocrite' or anything, just that his gameplan's been busted somewhat. (although hey, who's hasn't ?)

He said he didn't want the money during the pay off task...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Does it really matter who does what with the prize money if they win? why does anyone care about that?

This isn't a charity fund raising programme, this is an entertainment show, the best HM should win.

BTW, I don't believe for one second that Sam will give the money to charity.

Its a reality game show, not an entertainment show.

[anne666]

Will someone just tell me that Sam is not a coward by not saying the same thing to Daley?

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Josy

Its a reality game show, not an entertainment show.

No, it stopped being a reality TV show when most of the HM's had agents and have been on TV game shows in the past.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Seems to me that if one man can fight unfair, then the same must be allowed of the other, or am I wrong.

Yes exactly - thats why Sam should shut his gob and get on with it ! instead of going on and on and on like a tramps overcoat about Dexter and his game playing - oh yeah Sam yer just being yourself !! Har de har

[sampvt]

Seems to me like the volume of anti sam comments on here must give him the crown of being the most lethal game player, ergo, the one that should win seeing as how we are all talking about sam now not Dexter. Has Dexter been dethroned.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Josy

He said he didn't want the money during the pay off task...

See what you're getting at but it still makes you wonder.

"Right, let get one thing straight, I don't want the money" was the very first thing he said.

He didn't NEED to mention it at all and could have just said he wanted to stay. (which tbf he did)

So it's not unthinkable he really did want the money (as we've later seen)

As I said, nothing wrong with wanting the money but I'm looking for consistency.

If he went with a "genuine good guy" game plan then for me, there's a few doubts about it now.

If he's gonna be walk away with the cash for being this altruistic good guy, then I may have a problem with it when his behaviour and actions don't show consistency.
For example - why did he not pick up the twins for THEIR decision to take the money ?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Videostar

No, it stopped being a reality TV show when most of the HM's had agents and have been on TV game shows in the past.

Yes and hasn't it all been to the detriment of the show ?Desperate fame seekers, of the "I deserve it despite being devoid of any discernible talent " generation.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Yes exactly - thats why Sam should shut his gob and get on with it ! instead of going on and on and on like a tramps overcoat about Dexter and his game playing - oh yeah Sam yer just being yourself !! Har de har

He has NOTHING else to offer apart from believing he was entertaining us whilst asleep and very effectively absorbing Callums opinions when he did manage to be awake. Does he, have I missed something ?Someone please enlighten me, what has he actually done ?