[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

yes,
you saw mummy kissing santa claus,
underneath the mistletoe that night
She didn't see you creep
Down the stairs to have a peek
She thought that you were tucked
up in your bedroom fast alseep!

You sang a Christmas song??!!

That's bad luck Tozzie, quick kick a black cat!

[Ellen]

He won because voters voted for him to win over other HM's. They preferred him.
All the its just because of 'hearing loss' 'teen girl votes' or whatever claptrap they use is because they cant understand why voters didnt follow their favourite HM/s so they will pick any excuse for him winning other than people might have actually found him a nice bloke.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Ellen

He won because voters voted for him to win over other HM's. They preferred him.
All the its just because of 'hearing loss' 'teen girl votes' or whatever claptrap they use is because they cant understand why voters didnt follow their favourite HM/s so they will pick any excuse for him winning other than people might have actually found him a nice bloke.

many people did follow my favourite housemate, in fact he did very well to get as far as he did. I was just saying I think many things contributed to Sam winning and not just the fact some saw him as a nice bloke. There are and have been lots of 'nice blokes' on BB but they don't all go on to win. It stands to reason there are going to be contributing factors

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

You sang a Christmas song??!!

That's bad luck Tozzie, quick kick a black cat!

It wasn't me, it was Caudlehalbart pos/ting as me

[DanaC]

Some people probably voted because he was their cup of tea...others because they regarded him as the best of a bad bunch, others because they were impresed by the way he coped with the house under difficult circumstances, some because they liked his personality.

Why did dex come second? Why did so many vote for him? I daresay some because they thought he was cute, others because they thought he was the most entertaining, or the best of a bad bunch, some because they found him funny, and others because they were intrigued by his story/journey.

Same for most of the HMs. Different people vote for different HMs for different reasons.

I don't see how he played up the deaf issue really. He referenced it a few times. But he didn't seem to seek sympathy half as much as other housemates (Charlie with her constant tears and confusion, Dexter with his billy-no-mates- all-I-want-is-for-people-to-like-me-I-have-no-friends routine).

Everyone else talked (and talked and talked) about themselves, the issues they faced in life, the impact of those issues on them and what they hoped to gain from the BB experience. Was Sam supposed to stay silent about one of the most defining aspects of his life? What a double standard. So it's ok if people seek sympathy for the traumas they've had or the things their lives are missing, or the difficulty they're having with the emotional 'roller coaster' of the BB house, as long as anybody with a disability never mentions that. never mentioned how that is creating an extra layer of difficulty for them within the house.

Also: women over 35 fancying Sam? Fuhreels? My God that would feel like paedophilia.

I never could understand middle aged women going all gooey over Justin Bieber or Harry Stiles.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Some people probably voted because he was their cup of tea...others because they regarded him as the best of a bad bunch, others because they were impresed by the way he coped with the house under difficult circumstances, some because they liked his personality.

Why did dex come second? Why did so many vote for him? I daresay some because they thought he was cute, others because they thought he was the most entertaining, or the best of a bad bunch, some because they found him funny, and others because they were intrigued by his story/journey.

Same for most of the HMs. Different people vote for different HMs for different reasons.

I don't see how he played up the deaf issue really. He referenced it a few times. But he didn't seem to seek sympathy half as much as other housemates (Charlie with her constant tears and confusion, Dexter with his billy-no-mates- all-I-want-is-for-people-to-like-me-I-have-no-friends routine).

Everyone else talked (and talked and talked) about themselves, the issues they faced in life, the impact of those issues on them and what they hoped to gain from the BB experience. Was Sam supposed to stay silent about one of the most defining aspects of his life? What a double standard. So it's ok if people seek sympathy for the traumas they've had or the things their lives are missing, or the difficulty they're having with the emotional 'roller coaster' of the BB house, as long as anybody with a disability never mentions that. never mentioned how that is creating an extra layer of difficulty for them within the house.

Also: women over 35 fancying Sam? Fuhreels? My God that would feel like paedophilia.

I never could understand middle aged women going all gooey over Justin Bieber or Harry Stiles.

Excellent post .

Too old to fancy Sam.

Don't get the Harry Styles love at all, the Only thing I know about him is what my mate tells me as she has worked on their albums.

See past the deafness as hubby is deaf. Just don't see why anyone would feel sympathy.

All in all I liked him as he was a good genuine down to earth lad not pretending to be something he wasnt.

[barbel13]

Welsh vote and sympathy vote and BB team are corrupt who had money on SAM to win.This is why they painted dex on a bad light with love triangle when there was none.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by barbel13

Welsh vote and sympathy vote and BB team are corrupt who had money on SAM to win.This is why they painted dex on a bad light with love triangle when there was none.

Corrupt lol. I guess they paid the crowd to all scream for Sam in the final too while they were at it.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Some people probably voted because he was their cup of tea...others because they regarded him as the best of a bad bunch, others because they were impresed by the way he coped with the house under difficult circumstances, some because they liked his personality.

Why did dex come second? Why did so many vote for him? I daresay some because they thought he was cute, others because they thought he was the most entertaining, or the best of a bad bunch, some because they found him funny, and others because they were intrigued by his story/journey.

Same for most of the HMs. Different people vote for different HMs for different reasons.

I don't see how he played up the deaf issue really. He referenced it a few times. But he didn't seem to seek sympathy half as much as other housemates (Charlie with her constant tears and confusion, Dexter with his billy-no-mates- all-I-want-is-for-people-to-like-me-I-have-no-friends routine).

Everyone else talked (and talked and talked) about themselves, the issues they faced in life, the impact of those issues on them and what they hoped to gain from the BB experience. Was Sam supposed to stay silent about one of the most defining aspects of his life? What a double standard. So it's ok if people seek sympathy for the traumas they've had or the things their lives are missing, or the difficulty they're having with the emotional 'roller coaster' of the BB house, as long as anybody with a disability never mentions that. never mentioned how that is creating an extra layer of difficulty for them within the house.

Also: women over 35 fancying Sam? Fuhreels? My God that would feel like paedophilia.

I never could understand middle aged women going all gooey over Justin Bieber or Harry Stiles.

Good post DanaC.

I wasn;t meaning Sam pushed his deaf issues I was meaning it is quite possible for people to feel sorry and it can and may, note I say can influence peoples votes. I guess this is something we will have to beg to differ on DanaC, I see it that his deaf issues quite possibly played a part in him winning, (not all of it) and you don't. I actually did feel sorry for Sam myself for his deafness, I'm not an ogre with no feelings. I consider myself a very caring woman, I take care of severely brain damaged people in my work. I am merely saying it how I see it.

I could never fancy someone of Sams age, he's a nice looking young man but fancy, urgh, like you say, it would be just wrong , but there are some older women who would I suspect

[DanaC]

I was referring more to what john said:

Think its fair to say Sam played the deaf card throughout-if it wasnt for this he wouldnt have even got through the vetting process. He did bring his deafness up alot-made more of it that yer man Steve from another BB who lost an eye and both legs. He had a strategey-sell himself as a role model for young deaf kids and memorise alot of terrible jokes to make himself seem like a fun guy.

I can accept that there may have been people out there voting for him because he is deaf, if that's the issue that caught their attention. Likewise some will have voted him because he's a local lad, or because they liked his accent. But most/all housemates have something that differentiates them from the others and will hold significance for some of the people voting. There may well be people out there, who have had experience of eating disorders who saw something in Charlie that others might not get. And there may have been people who voted for Gina because she's a strong female, or because she's black. How many families out there with twins felt some sense of immediate kinship with Jack and Joe? How many just because they have 18 year old sons and so viewed the boys with some affection

They all have something that may draw a particular demographic. That's how it works. But that's fine, because that's how it works for all of them. For all the people voting for Sam because he was deaf, an equally committed group may have been voting for Gina as a black woman. or voting for Dex as an ex-gambler.

[pcro]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

Picture it.

Another male housemate who was 45 with no disabilities at all and who looked like Harry Redknapp (not Harry Styles) but who had behaved EXACTLY as Sam did these past few weeks

Same jokes, same comments about women, same amount of time in bed etc

Do you think HE would have won?

Honestly?

It had EVERYTHING to do with it. It had to. What else was there?

[Withano]

Yes he would still win, his competition was two people with genuinely awful personalities. 2 irritating twins and a girl who wasn't as funny as Sam.

Most people would win a final against these 4.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by DanaC

voting for Dex as an ex-gambler.

Doubt there'd be many of these!

[DanaC]

hahaha. well, maybe not

[robroy_2000]

I have a question then talking about sam he said he only got 70% hearing and in his vt he says he lip reads how can you lip read big brother

[anne666]

A lot of sympathy voting I think, window shoppers for the final night and the bookies panicking about how much they would have to pay out if Gina or Dexter won. Happens every time when outsiders reach the final.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by robroy_2000

I have a question then talking about sam he said he only got 70% hearing and in his vt he says he lip reads how can you lip read big brother

Umm...because he also uses a hearing aid? And only lip reads when there are...y'know...some lips to read from...

[Vicky.]

Bit silly to even think of this really. Would Brian have won if he wasn't gay? Would Nadia have won if she wasn't transgender? Would Sophie have won if she wasn't a blonde model and ditzy?

You just cant even imagine them being different, so you cant even begin to form an opinion on how voting would go without things like this.

[mr rochester]

I love the beautiful dog in your avatar LOtG!

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

I love the beautiful dog in your avatar LOtG!

Thank you! She is a collie and was a gorgeous 9 week old pup when that was taken. Lovely girl she turned out to be too!

[DanaC]

Oh aye, she's a bonnie lass.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

Thank you! She is a collie and was a gorgeous 9 week old pup when that was taken. Lovely girl she turned out to be too!

She's really dear.




Maybe we could adopt her as our forum pet dog - if the mods would let us...

(apologies for going off topic - sorry).

[DanaC]

Then I'd have to get jealous on my Carrot's behalf

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

Picture it.

Another male housemate who was 45 with no disabilities at all and who looked like Harry Redknapp (not Harry Styles) but who had behaved EXACTLY as Sam did these past few weeks

Same jokes, same comments about women, same amount of time in bed etc

Do you think HE would have won?

Honestly?

Apart from your suggestion of a male HM aged 45 (in comparison to young Sam) I do think you have a point. I believe Sam would have had many votes to win based on his partly deaftness and his good body along with a smile to die for, not to mention his good looks. Kinda reminds me of when a good looking but not brilliant singer keeps getting through round after round on X-factor and is voted for by the young teens and hoping for him to be their first love. So yes I think Sam won on the points you made - which is a pity as I believe Dexter to be the deserving winner.

[Vicky.]

OK I have just got what this thread means..took a while, read it toally wrong the first time

No, a housemate that behaved like Sam but wasnt goodlooking and young with hearing problems would have been out quite early on I suspect, and would definitely not be even considered to win.