[Jimrod]

Sympathy votes had nothing to do with it. All the people I know who liked Sam was because he seemed nice, likeable, genuine and had the guts to stand up to Dexter multiple times about his game playing as well as standing by his friend Callum when the other's turned on him. His looks will have got him some teen votes. No-one votes out of sympathy - X-Factor over milked that one years back.

Did Dexter get voted up to second place because he's mixed race with a 10-year-old boy's body hormone problem or are these kinds of make-up-an-excuse-for-your-favourite-not-winning threads a one-way anti-Sam thing?

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by johnx

He looks like a bloody hobbit!

Nope he is a good looking guy, this is one thing that can't be disputed. Sure he looks younger than 23 (easily be a teen) but he's got a nice smile, amazing pout and shockingly good body.

[aj2463]

I think the fact he was up against a bunch of self-obsessed kn*bs with no likeable qualities whatsoever helped Him greatly

[reece(:]

A large percentage of it will have been sympathy/horny girl vote.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK I have just got what this thread means..took a while, read it toally wrong the first time

No, a housemate that behaved like Sam but wasnt goodlooking and young with hearing problems would have been out quite early on I suspect, and would definitely not be even considered to win.

You pretty much summed it up Vicky. I really believe he would not have won if it were not for his attributes of deafness, good looks, smiles and the air of innocence.

[Dominic]

The things is One Direction sucks, so Harry Styles look votes are delusional.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by reece(:

A large percentage of it will have been sympathy/horny girl vote.

Course it will. Change that record it's getting a bit stuck.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by BRENDAxoxo

The things is One Direction sucks, so Harry Styles look votes are delusional.

Lol.


I don't even like crappy little boy bands with the floppy hair and the "oh baby, baby let me give you some sugar" but I wanted Sam to win.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Lol.


I don't even like crappy little boy bands with the floppy hair and the "oh baby, baby let me give you some sugar" but I wanted Sam to win.

You sure you are not a horny teenage girl masquerading as an older man

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You sure you are not a horny teenage girl masquerading as an older man

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You sure you are not a horny teenage girl masquerading as an older man

Lol you got me.

My real names Stacey, I'm a fat teenage Welsh girl with a hearing aid that is desperate to ruin big brother by picking bores and peeving at guys with hair like a kitchen mop.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Lol you got me.

My real names Stacey, I'm a fat teenage Welsh girl with a hearing aid that is desperate to ruin big brother by picking bores and peeving at guys with hair like a kitchen mop.

I knew it could be no other reason for the Sam love.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I knew it could be no other reason for the Sam love.

Shat up gurlfreeend, you better not be getting in on my man.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Shat up gurlfreeend, you better not be getting in on my man.

lol

Seriously though there were many many people who tore into Dexter for his looks, so I suppose looks do play their part, not sure how that theory correlates with Denise Welch winning though...back to the drawing board.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

lol

Seriously though there were many many people who tore into Dexter for his looks, so I suppose looks do play their part, not sure how that theory correlates with Denise Welch winning though...back to the drawing board.

Nothing wrong with Dexter looks.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Cherie

lol

Seriously though there were many many people who tore into Dexter for his looks, so I suppose looks do play their part, not sure how that theory correlates with Denise Welch winning though...back to the drawing board.

I'm sure there will be people out there that picked Sam because they fancied him, some people fancy Dexter maybe they would vote for him for the same reason.

I just think its sour grapes to pin the blame on horny college girls though.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by Jimrod

Sympathy votes had nothing to do with it. All the people I know who liked Sam was because he seemed nice, likeable, genuine and had the guts to stand up to Dexter multiple times about his game playing as well as standing by his friend Callum when the other's turned on him. His looks will have got him some teen votes. No-one votes out of sympathy - X-Factor over milked that one years back.

Did Dexter get voted up to second place because he's mixed race with a 10-year-old boy's body hormone problem or are these kinds of make-up-an-excuse-for-your-favourite-not-winning threads a one-way anti-Sam thing?

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

[anne666]

Sam would never have won if Gina and Dexter had not been outsiders in the betting. The bookies always see to that.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

My thoughts exactly, well said. I like him until Callum left and he continued to drip the poison Callum had fed to him. Will he now see how many lies Callum told him about many things. That was not friendship, no respect at all lying to Sam the way he did.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

good post and this is also how I perceived Sam. Your words sum up my thoughts. I liked Sam at the beginning but as the show went on I began to dislike him. I was especially upset with Sam when both he and Dexter were awaiting to hear the results he was clearly rude by walking away from Dexter when it was plain to see Dexter had wanted to talk to him. Even after that Dexter still didn't bear a grudge and was as you say very positive and congratulated Sam in his win. To me that is great sportsmanship. I do wonder that whilst some Sam fans perhaps chose not to see this or if any would actually agree on that part. I would have respected Sam much more had he been more of a sportsman whilst awaiting the results instead he went out of his way to ignore Dexter. That is rude. I wish Sam fans would stop saying we Dexter fans have sour grapes, that is not so, not in my case at least, Dexter was and always will be MY winner regardless of who took the money.

[mikkil]

Exactly right - he was the biggest game player of them all - but not in the nicest way at all

Maybe he will use some of the winnings to learn the alphabet - as he is aged 23
My grandaughter knows it at 2.5 and can recognise all the letters and spell her name

[mikkil]

Well said - I just cannot believe people believing he is nice - shows what a editing does and saying I am a charity case - not a role model for disabilities generally including the deaf

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Course it will. Change that record it's getting a bit stuck.

Just answering the OP? If you're bored of the thread, don't read.

[alex_front2]

Agree with Lord of the Garden about Sam saying he stuck up for himself. No-one had a problem with him, or abusing him. He's just wanted to play victim.