[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

To hero worship automatically means their morals and mannerisms are considered fine otherwise you wouldn't worship them.

Any sick bastard who hero worships Hitler isn't exactly going to do it because they liked the way he grew his tash.

..I'm not really sure were the comparison/connection is there at all..but I said to an extent though, I'm not sure hero worship is the term I personally would apply to any housemate, celebrity or otherwise..but it does depend on your own personal opinions/perspective..for me I can't comprehend why she's disliked so much because of the way she talks/things she says which are at worst very crude whereas you could say exactly the same about Ron Atkinson and the fact that he's also perceived to be 'hero worshipped' for something he did for a living but made blatant racist remarks..that doesn't mean to say that his fans are racists..?..the two don't equate for me...

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not really sure were the comparison/connection is there at all..but I said to an extent though, I'm not sure hero worship is the term I personally would apply to any housemate, celebrity or otherwise..but it does depend on your own personal opinions/perspective..for me I can't comprehend why she's disliked so much because of the way she talks/things she says which are at worst very crude whereas you could say exactly the same about Ron Atkinson and the fact that he's also perceived to be 'hero worshipped' for something he did for a living but made blatant racist remarks..that doesn't mean to say that his fans are racists..?..the two don't equate for me...

Hero worshipping is hero worshipping regardless of how far up and down the scale of extremism they happen to be on.



Don't deflect my point by telling me something I already know about Hitler being far worse than big brother housemates.

If I thought somebody was a Racist why would I want to hero worship them? It would disgust me. I would only hero worship (not that I would cos i think it's a bit sad) somebody who shares my ideals and morals OR someone I wanted to be like.

And before someone pipes in with oh but your on the Ron Atkinson fan page, he said something a long time which was common place in his profession behind closed doors. He was out of order and he should know better than to say things like that not that I have to explain myself because I don't hero worship him anyway he's just the person I have picked for now.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Hero worshipping is hero worshipping regardless of how far up and down the scale of extremism they happen to be on.



Don't deflect my point by telling me something I already know about Hitler being far worse than big brother housemates.

If I thought somebody was a Racist why would I want to hero worship them? It would disgust me. I would only hero worship (not that I would cos i think it's a bit sad) somebody who shares my ideals and morals OR someone I wanted to be like.

And before someone pipes in with oh but your on the Ron Atkinson fan page, he said something a long time which was common place in his profession behind closed doors. He was out of order and he should know better than to say things like that not that I have to explain myself because I don't hero worship him anyway he's just the person I have picked for now.

..who's to say anyone does 'hero worship' just that they're fans of that person and see positives in them and not just the negative which of course are there but they are for all of them, I can't see that Charlotte is exceptional in any way, all of them are 'controversial'...some people don't believe Ron to be a racist, that's their prerogative, they don't believe that his comment defines him as a person..others don't think the way in which Charlotte says things define her either..she's no worse/better than anyone else in there...and I'm not deflecting at all...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Hero worshipping is hero worshipping regardless of how far up and down the scale of extremism they happen to be on.



Don't deflect my point by telling me something I already know about Hitler being far worse than big brother housemates.

If I thought somebody was a Racist why would I want to hero worship them? It would disgust me. I would only hero worship (not that I would cos i think it's a bit sad) somebody who shares my ideals and morals OR someone I wanted to be like.

And before someone pipes in with oh but your on the Ron Atkinson fan page, he said something a long time which was common place in his profession behind closed doors. He was out of order and he should know better than to say things like that not that I have to explain myself because I don't hero worship him anyway he's just the person I have picked for now.

..I will also say that 'extremists' are exactly that, they're extreme and there is no middle scale for them, they're that because they do not have any balance in their opinions...I said to an extent in that there are things we all like/admire whatever about 'favourite housemates'..I find a lot of things Charlotte says cringeworthy but understand that some might perceive those very same things as being honest/real..saying exactly what she thinks and to me she hasn't said anything spiteful/hurtful so I don't have a problem with it..I also understand that other positives are seen in other housemates but their negatives can't be overlooked either in the way that Charlotte's aren't...there are lots of things wrong with the world in general but a young girl using cringeworthy terminology for me isn't really one of them...

[Cherie]

Her VT was awful, and she over cooked the "I'm so scared entrance". Will reserve judgement at the mo.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Her VT was awful, and she over cooked the "I'm so scared entrance". Will reserve judgement at the mo.

...yeah, that's a lot of 'what's right with the world' imo...I'm reserving judgement as well unless she seems spiteful...I will say I haven't got a favourite as such yet though, I don't know any of them well enough yet...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, that's a lot of 'what's right with the world' imo...I'm reserving judgement as well unless she seems spiteful...I will say I haven't got a favourite as such yet though, I don't know any of them well enough yet...

Always takes me a few days just from last night I really liked Dustin and funnily enough Louis, though it is possible Louis could have a meltdown or he might start to grate I guess.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Always takes me a few days just from last night I really liked Dustin and funnily enough Louis, though it is possible Louis could have a meltdown or he might start to grate I guess.

..yeah I really don't want to like Louis, I've always found him irritating and unfunny but he said a few funny thing last night and I have a feeling I might grow to like him if he doesn't have that meltdown..he's a loud character and there always seems to be so many loud characters..what do you call that..?..a gaggle of them or something..?..anyway, sometimes the louder characters can also be subdued by so many other similar ones around them so I'm just seeing if anyone shines atm...

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not really sure were the comparison/connection is there at all..but I said to an extent though, I'm not sure hero worship is the term I personally would apply to any housemate, celebrity or otherwise..but it does depend on your own personal opinions/perspective..for me I can't comprehend why she's disliked so much because of the way she talks/things she says which are at worst very crude whereas you could say exactly the same about Ron Atkinson and the fact that he's also perceived to be 'hero worshipped' for something he did for a living but made blatant racist remarks..that doesn't mean to say that his fans are racists..?..the two don't equate for me...

For the record,he made an off the cuff remark that was unfortunately used to brand him as a racist,despite his record in football proving the opposite!! So neither Ron,nor his "fans" are racists,imo!?! btw,I'm not a "fan" nor a "racist"!!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

For the record,he made an off the cuff remark that was unfortunately used to brand him as a racist,despite his record in football proving the opposite!! So neither Ron,nor his "fans" are racists,imo!?! btw,I'm not a "fan" nor a "racist"!!

..I did actually just say the two didn't equate or that any of his fans were racist, there is another thread about that...I have no idea who you're a 'fan' of either...

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I did actually just say the two didn't equate or that any of his fans were racist, there is another thread about that...I have no idea who you're a 'fan' of either...

I'm just pointing out that he's not a racist,just because of one thing he said years ago!!
Charlotte comes across as vulgar,and seems to be proud of it!?! Maybe she'll calm down and turn out to be a very nice person?!?

[Scotialinz]

There is no doubt that Charlotte's shock factor brand of comedy has a market in today's society. It doesn't appeal to me as such, but I do think she'll bring entertainment to the house. That probably makes me a hypocrite.....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

I'm just pointing out that he's not a racist,just because of one thing he said years ago!!
Charlotte comes across as vulgar,and seems to be proud of it!?! Maybe she'll calm down and turn out to be a very nice person?!?

..I don't think you or anyone can say that he is or he isn't for sure but there is a thread to post your opinion which you can state for sure, which I have as well.. I have also read other people's opinions too...I do agree that Charlotte's terminology is extremely graphic, I don't know if she's proud of it or not but it's very subjective because she's very popular so some people obviously find that amusing in some way..or maybe real/honest..I don't know...but it's extreme to describe her as being 'everything that's wrong with Britian today' just for terminology that she uses, when she hasn't to my knowledge harmed anyone/been spiteful etc...she probably is an ok person..or maybe not, I guess that's what we'll all decide when we see her more.....