[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not to mention: it's a valid call of double standard if there is evidence that the police and judiciary in this country treat an offence carried by one group more leniently than if it were committed by another group. It's not a double standard when our police treat us (black white or stripey) differently for committing an offence in this country, than the police of an anther country would treat us (black white or stripey) for committing the same offence in that country.

And turn a blind eye when muslims abuse our soldiers after they have got back from saving THIER families

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And turn a blind eye when muslims abuse our soldiers after they have got back from saving THIER families

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

They are such an ungrateful bunch, aren't they?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

hundreds of thousands...

Originally Posted by parmnion

hundreds of thousands...

Estimates put the civilian death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, at somewhere between 120,000, and 250,000. I'd say hundreds of thousands represents that figure pretty accurately.

How would you like it to have been worded?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Estimates put the civilian death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, at somewhere between 120,000, and 250,000. I'd say hundreds of thousands represents that figure pretty accurately.

by our troops?

Originally Posted by parmnion

by our troops?

By the whole invasion thingy. It wasn't just our troops, and they didn't specifically go round knocking on doors to ask if anyone wanted to be murdered that evening.

When the coalition bomb highly populated cities to dust, then unfortunately people get caught in that.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

By the whole invasion thingy. It wasn't just our troops, and they didn't specifically go round knocking on doors to ask if anyone wanted to be murdered that evening.

When the coalition bomb highly populated cities to dust, then unfortunately people get caught in that.

dont be saying by our troops then if it isnt just our troops ffs.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

By the whole invasion thingy. It wasn't just our troops, and they didn't specifically go round knocking on doors to ask if anyone wanted to be murdered that evening.

When the coalition bomb highly populated cities to dust, then unfortunately people get caught in that.

to dust!...it looked more like precision air strikes on my telly..another exageration lol..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

I know... and there never was a reason for it, them being such a peace-loving people. I mean, it's not like the people we've been at war with carry out any acts of terrorism, or indoctrinate and abuse their own people, or train terrorists from all over the world.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians? A figure plucked out of the air, I think.

And back on topic... Ron is a fool. In one scene there he is telling us that he still works as a football pundit "with the Middle East lads..." and minutes later he's making a completely inappropriate comment regarding headscarves and suicide bombers. I imagine the "Middle East lads" will be examining Ron's contract even as I type. There's no fool like and old fool. He's learned absolutely nothing from his past mistakes and the words continue to pour freely from his lips without the clutch of tact.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know... and there never was a reason for it, them being such a peace-loving people. I mean, it's not like the people we've been at war with carry out any acts of terrorism, or indoctrinate and abuse their own people, or train terrorists from all over the world.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians? A figure plucked out of the air, I think.

And back on topic... Ron is a fool. In one scene there he is telling us that he still works as a football pundit "with the Middle East lads..." and minutes later he's making a completely inappropriate comment regarding headscarves and suicide bombers. I imagine the "Middle East lads" will be examining Ron's contract even as I type. There's no fool like and old fool. He's learned absolutely nothing from his past mistakes and the words continue to pour freely from his lips without the clutch of tact.

Are you including Israeli abuses here? How is that figure plucked out of the air? those figures have been given for many years? How tactless are your words?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Are you including Israeli abuses here? How is that figure plucked out of the air? those figures have been given for many years? How tactless are your words?

Now why would you think I would be referring to Israel?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Now why would you think I would be referring to Israel?

well done avoiding all my questions

also wondering if you applied the same standards to the israeli abuses?

Originally Posted by Livia

I know... and there never was a reason for it, them being such a peace-loving people. I mean, it's not like the people we've been at war with carry out any acts of terrorism, or indoctrinate and abuse their own people, or train terrorists from all over the world.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians? A figure plucked out of the air, I think.

And back on topic... Ron is a fool. In one scene there he is telling us that he still works as a football pundit "with the Middle East lads..." and minutes later he's making a completely inappropriate comment regarding headscarves and suicide bombers. I imagine the "Middle East lads" will be examining Ron's contract even as I type. There's no fool like and old fool. He's learned absolutely nothing from his past mistakes and the words continue to pour freely from his lips without the clutch of tact.

So what was the reason then?

Regardless of how countries treat their own people, it is up to those people to deal with it. Anyone would think the only system of government we know is democracy. The monarchy didn't give up power for the sake of it, they had it taken away from them by the people.

We did that without America swooping in and saving us.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

So what was the reason then?

Regardless of how countries treat their own people, it is up to those people to deal with it. Anyone would think the only system of government we know is democracy. The monarchy didn't give up power for the sake of it, they had it taken away from them by the people.

We did that without America swooping in and saving us.

This isn't the place for a debate like this. And I'm probably not the right person if you're looking for someone to say how awful the British Army are, and how misunderstood the Taliban are.

Originally Posted by Livia

This isn't the place for a debate like this. And I'm probably not the right person if you're looking for someone to say how awful the British Army are, and how misunderstood the Taliban are.

That's a complete misrepresentation, and you know it.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

So what was the reason then?

Regardless of how countries treat their own people, it is up to those people to deal with it. Anyone would think the only system of government we know is democracy. The monarchy didn't give up power for the sake of it, they had it taken away from them by the people.

We did that without America swooping in and saving us.

I don't agree with that. Egypt isn't doing a very good job of dealing with itself right now and neither is Syria. I didn't agree with the invasion of Afghanistan and i probably never will but sometimes outside intervention is necessary.

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I don't agree with that. Egypt isn't doing a very good job of dealing with itself right now and neither is Syria. I didn't agree with the invasion of Afghanistan and i probably never will but sometimes outside intervention is necessary.

I don't disagree with the principle here, but I don't agree with the selective choosing of which people deserve our help, and which people don't.

We're happy to let African genocide take place on a massive scale, and what about those poor North Koreans, who probably have it worse than any other people on earth?

We should help everyone, or help no one.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't disagree with the principle here, but I don't agree with the selective choosing of which people deserve our help, and which people don't.

We're happy to let African genocide take place on a massive scale, and what about those poor North Koreans, who probably have it worse than any other people on earth?

We should help everyone, or help no one.

We don't have the resources or manpower to help everyone, we are small Island with a small professional army. The States already have their fingers in too many pies and the United Nations are a joke of an entitity.

I agree we have been pretty selective in our targets up to now, mainly around the gulf region but a war against North Korea would be a nightmare.