[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course I read the whole post jack no need to be rude as I don't agree with you, nobody in the whole thread can see a point to your fuzzy logic on this issue.
You cannot paint all victims of bullying or crime with the same brush and assume they all react in a similar mindset in social situations, it makes no sense.

It is an unbelievable level of ignorant assumptions.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Jack seems to be Heterosexist!

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

Dont demand anything from me Jack ,you know you are onto a a loser

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

Stick to the topic jack, you have made some spectacular claims as to chuffs character on here over the last few weeks , so I suggest if you don't like to be labelled don't label others.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Stick to the topic jack, you have made some spectacular claims as to chuffs character on here over the last few weeks , so I suggest if you don't like to be labelled don't label others.

Dead right ,how many times a day can someone label everyone as homophobic who doesnt kiss ass with a gay housemate before they look like they are hounding folks?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

This whole thread is proof enough.

[DanaC]

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

It took me a long time to stop making that assumption of people.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

I know, but I have been attacked, and banned already, and I am on Lauren's side, so something is wrong here.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

It took me a long time to stop making that assumption of people.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

THANK YOU

This is precisely the point I've been trying to make, but you've made it much more articulately than I've been able to. Thanks.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

It took me a long time to stop making that assumption of people.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

In fairness you have worded that well and far better than anything jack said
It is still wrong however to label someone phobic with no evidence, probably worse to do so on national telly.
ps I completely empathise and sympthise with your plight. children and people can be cruel, especially when its a disability they can see. it must have been very hard for you and despite everyone thinking im a mysoginist on here for fighting for mens rights. I have a big heart and I offer you a huge cyber hug. if you ever want to pm me for a chat I will always respind, as believe it or not I am actually sincere.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

THANK YOU

This is precisely the point I've been trying to make, but you've made it much more articulately than I've been able to. Thanks.

That is only one example of that jack it does'nt prove it in all cases or excuse lauren in this instance, in this environment all comments are put under a microscope and scrutinised to the n'th degree by the media.She was wrong to say that comment as mud sticks, it was a totally unsubstantiated assumption that may cause this man problems I feel that is totally unfair.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Why is it that whenever TheTruth comes into a thread it turns into people arguing about sexism/homo/hetrophobia?

Just an observation.

Planting seeds?

[DanaC]

@ the truth: aww, thanks m'dear. Cyber hugs are always nice *smiles*

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Why is it that whenever TheTruth comes into a thread it turns into people arguing about sexism/homo/hetrophobia?

Just an observation.

Planting seeds?

The thread is about a seed planted by Lauren. It will swing too and fro between the seed, and defending the seed. That's what happens in a topic about a seed.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Why is it that whenever TheTruth comes into a thread it turns into people arguing about sexism/homo/hetrophobia?

Just an observation.

Planting seeds?

Youve got the wrong one there Daniel

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

The thread is about a seed planted by Lauren. It will swing too and fro between the seed, and defending the seed. That's what happens in a topic about a seed.

Stop saying seed so much.

Its making me wet.

[Jack_]

Nevermind. Over it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I know, but I have been attacked, and banned already, and I am on Lauren's side, so something is wrong here.

You were banned for referring to lauren as a shemale. And for bringing up your infraction for that on the main board.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You were banned for referring to lauren as a shemale. And for bringing up your infraction for that on the main board.

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

Shemale isn't perfect, the correct term is transgendered.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

Call her a transsexual then. It's accurate and non-offensive.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Livia

Call her a transsexual then. It's accurate and non-offensive.

It's not a gender to me, it's more like a description of an operation. It doesn't fit well.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

It's not a gender to me, it's more like a description of an operation. It doesn't fit well.

Shemale is not scientific. Nor is it a gender.

So you're contradicting yourself. Either you want to refer to her accurately or you don't?

Poor reasoning for using an offensive term.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Shemale isn't perfect, the correct term is transgendered.

Probably. I will try to use that, I didn't remember the word originally.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Shemale is not scientific. Nor is it a gender.

So you're contradicting yourself. Either you want to refer to her accurately or you don't?

Poor reasoning for using an offensive term.

Shemale is two genders combined, which is correct. Offensive doesn't really matter so long as it's accurate.