[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Keith Allen, actor, father of Lily Allen, popstar, did a number on her and her family. Google it.

She's an amazing housemate. That's all i need to know.

[Nemo123]

Cynical Hermit you don't seem to understand that she's not a transexual. Paramountly she's an attention seeker. Fame is her goal. I'm even calling her "her". Her family are unreal. They just want fame for this poor individual that they have manipulated from birth. Vote for who you like, it's beyond a joke now.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Cynical Hermit you don't seem to understand that she's not a transexual. Paramountly she's an attention seeker. Fame is her goal. I'm even calling her "her". Her family are unreal. They just want fame for this poor individual that they have manipulated from birth. Vote for who you like, it's beyond a joke now.

Ignoring the fact that I didn't even mention her sexuality, how is she not a transexual?

You've clearly learnt to mask your hypocritical prejudice over the last week (albeit badly) but don't dishonour yourself by trying to make out your reasons for not liking her aren't what they really are.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Ignoring the fact that I didn't even mention her sexuality, how is she not a transexual?

You've clearly learnt to mask your hypocritical prejudice over the last week (albeit badly) but don't dishonour yourself by trying to make out your reasons for not liking her aren't what they really are.

I hope Lauren and Courtney both make the final. I like them.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I hope Lauren and Courtney both make the final. I like them.

My cynical side makes me want to see Lauren kicked out just because she is the only one that seems to give a toss whether she wins or not, and I would enjoy seeing her disappointment.

I think Courtney is great though.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

My cynical side makes me want to see Lauren kicked out just because she is the only one that seems to give a toss whether she wins or not, and I would enjoy seeing her disappointment.

I think Courtney is great though.

Housemates will nominate in pair and i think Lauren and Courtney will be put together. I'm saving both. I don't want Carol/Mario/Louis to win.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Ignoring the fact that I didn't even mention her sexuality, how is she not a transexual?

You've clearly learnt to mask your hypocritical prejudice over the last week (albeit badly) but don't dishonour yourself by trying to make out your reasons for not liking her aren't what they really are.

OK, I don't like her. I try to tiptoe between my out and out aversion of his/her sexuality, but Half the time I step on a landmine. But aside from that, There are no endearing qualities about Lauren/James. They are equally repulsive. I'm not convinced James hasn't become Lauren just for the publicity.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Housemates will nominate in pair and i think Lauren and Courtney will be put together. I'm saving both. I don't want Carol/Mario/Louis to win.

If Lauren and Courtney are nominated together, then Courtney will go I think. The crowd seem to love her for some reason. Ultimately I don't really care, the celebrity side of this show has never really held my attention.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

If Lauren and Courtney are nominated together, then Courtney will go I think. The crowd seem to love her for some reason. Ultimately I don't really care, the celebrity side of this show has never really held my attention.

I don't think so. Vicky/Abz would go.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

OK, I don't like her. I try to tiptoe between my out and out aversion of his/her sexuality, but Half the time I step on a landmine. But aside from that, There are no endearing qualities about Lauren/James. They are equally repulsive. I'm not convinced James hasn't become Lauren just for the publicity.

Well you not referring to her as 'he' didn't last very long...
You really truly believe someone would go through gender reassignment purely for no other reason than publicity ?

I wouldn't even bother challenging your views if you didn't seem to hero worship Bradley Manning, who is the very thing that you for some bizarre reason seem to hate.

[adam_thedon]

I'm really struggling to understand if half the people who like lauren are just being ironic?
She's a vile house mate and needs to pack her bags and leave asap. She's quite clearly a spoilt brat who needs to be reassured she's "beautiful" all the time by her moronic sidekick courtney.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Well you not referring to her as 'he' didn't last very long...
You really truly believe someone would go through gender reassignment purely for no other reason than publicity ?

I wouldn't even bother challenging your views if you didn't seem to hero worship Bradley Manning, who is the very thing that you for some bizarre reason seem to hate.

You must be incredibly stupid.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by adam_thedon

I'm really struggling to understand if half the people who like lauren are just being ironic?
She's a vile house mate and needs to pack her bags and leave asap. She's quite clearly a spoilt brat who needs to be reassured she's "beautiful" all the time by her moronic sidekick courtney.

Lauren and Courtney are lovely!

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

You must be incredibly stupid.

right ok. How exactly?

I've picked apart your views within the space of 3 posts and that is all you have?

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

right ok. How exactly?

I've picked apart your views within the space of 3 posts and that is all you have?

I you think you've done that you're even stupider than I thought.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

I you think you've done that you're even stupider than I thought.

Make all the one sentenced statements you like, my friend. Unless you back them up with actual reasoning then its not me that is the stupid one. You may as well say I smell or something.

[Nemo123]

Tell me one noble thing that creature in a dress has done for mankind?

[adam_thedon]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Lauren and Courtney are lovely!

In what way shape or form? laurens vile and courtneys a disgrace of a human being...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by adam_thedon

In what way shape or form? laurens vile and courtneys a disgrace of a human being...

To you maybe. They're nice people as far as i'm concerned.

[Nemo123]

Cynical Hermit?

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

To you maybe. They're nice people as far as i'm concerned.

Exactly and people calling them creatures says more about theirselves rather than the HMs.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Tell me one noble thing that creature in a dress has done for mankind?

She has done a lot to bring to the forefront of the public attention issues of her fellow transsexuals.
Which is far more than you or I have ever done.
Bradley Manning has not done anything 'noble' he betrayed a position of trust and his country, whilst having no regard for the safety of his fellow soldiers on the field.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that Bradley/Chelsea Manning and Lauren are exactly the same!
Its like debating with a dolphin, honestly.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Exactly and people calling them creatures says more about theirselves rather than the HMs.

I love their friendship! They should make a show together. A bit like the one Paris and Nicole used to have. They'd be great!

[Verbal]

Nemo123?

[Amy Jade]

I am currently undecided on Lauren, on one side she is very interesting and I enjoy watching her and especially the relationship she has with Courtney but the desperation to win and the way some people act like she deserves it because she has had a tough life really makes me hope she doesnt win. I hate sob stories and people playing on past problems they may have had to gain sympathy from others. She can also come across as very self centred and I think she knows how to manipulate situations to her advantage and at times that irritates me.

I'd like her to get to the final but I don't think she should win.