[joeysteele]

I couldn't take Boris seriously at all at the conference today, in fact it was as if he was drunk.
Just rambling on and on with utter nonsense.

This is actually a very poor conference.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it isn’t though Nedussa, for me Vicky’s post sums it up perfectly because there are two lots of ‘victims’ here...people are employed to clear river banks, pick up litter etc and probably don’t get paid very much at all and may hate what they’re doing for all we know but have no choice but to do it with financial commitments etc...and for me there are two issues I have with that..one is that..(and no offense..) ..they are seeing and hearing words like ‘humiliating, degrading..etc’ attached to the job that they are doing, which is as valid and necessary as any other job...so how worthless does that make them feel...they don’t deserve to have what they do described as humiliating etc or ‘less than..’..so for me that is an issue....

To be fair, I don't think people think doing the job for a fair wage is what's degrading or humiliating, it's being dressed up in a high visibility jacket and sent out to do it for the equivalent of £2.50 an hour that's degrading. Pretty much any job paying £2.50 an hour is degrading.

Also the people doing this job currently aren't even particularly low earners in most areas. They'll for the mostpart be council employees, and can be earning £10 - £12 or more per hour (as well as getting double time Sundays, paid bank holidays off, all the other things that anyone in the private sector saw sailing off into the sunset years ago). That's not to say that they shouldn't be earning that wage; it's a FAIR wage, and one that means that these men probably have financial commitments that won't easily be covered if they lose that job, even if they DO find another full time job - because the replacement will no doubt be minimum-wage slog that barely covers the combined cost of housing, council tax and utility bills.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I couldn't take Boris seriously at all at the conference today, in fact it was as if he was drunk.
Just rambling on and on with utter nonsense.

This is actually a very poor conference.

Todays was Great
attacks on fecking Labour
who left no money for the UK.


And not one word about UKIP



Well Done PM

[Vicky.]

****ing LOL at this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-working.html

Surely even IDS cant be THAT stupid?!

[King Gizzard]

Job seekers doss about...job seekers secretly get paid for cash in hand jobs...which is it!?

would love to know how they see this is logistically possible/viable..they're going to need more JC's and ALOT more staff

Idiots

[Kizzy]

Is this what is eating that 550M they have 'reserved'?
Jeeeeze....

[Kizzy]

On newsnight now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Todays was Great
attacks on fecking Labour
who left no money for the UK.


And not one word about UKIP



Well Done PM

Labour must have left quite a bit of money really since this Govt has been able to squander so much on NHS across the board reforms, pay ATOS massive amounts to re-assess benefit claimants, continue to add to overseas aid and also to find vast sums for the involvement of the UK in Libya.

No doubt they would be able to have found a great deal more for any conflict as to Syria too had they got their way on that one too.

So it seems the coffers weren't bare after all and that was a 'con'.
They really must think the voters are thick.