[Ammi]

..I don't get the waste of police time and energy, if it does lead to finding out what happened to Madeleine ..not that I think it will but a parent wouldn't ever stop trying though...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently Ben Needhams father is kicking off saying why hasn't his son had the same amount of attention as Madeleine. Valid question IMO.

Edit. Seems to be his grandfather.. http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/upd...vernment-help/

Yes it is valid,Ben is just as important isn't he? or is he?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't get the waste of police time and energy, if it does lead to finding out what happened to Madeleine ..not that I think it will but a parent wouldn't ever stop trying though...

They've been hiring private investigators for years, they've held up police investigations by not cooperating fully, they've got the police looking at the case once again despite absolutely no new information coming to light, they've just changed the way they've looked at the investigation... the case has gone cold, they're just flogging a dead horse for more money because they don't have any other options, they don't want to accept that their poor decision making led to this situation. I have never once seen them accept any level of criticism or blame. They've got a terrible public image because they've turned themselves into public figures. This is the reason they get criticised. Nobody has ever criticised April Jones' parents for letting her play outside unattended. Nobody has ever criticised the Wells or Chapman families for letting Holly and Jessica go out by themselves. There is a world of difference between a tragic kidnapping and what the McCanns did.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't get the waste of police time and energy, if it does lead to finding out what happened to Madeleine ..not that I think it will but a parent wouldn't ever stop trying though...

I agree, this is such a high profile case that it is worth more to the government to solve this case than cover it up.

[Kizzy]

And I wouldn't blame him, the Mc Canns are also close petsonal friends with Esther Mc Vey... so it's ensured the case will be kept alive.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently Ben Needhams father is kicking off saying why hasn't his son had the same amount of attention as Madeleine. Valid question IMO.

Edit. Seems to be his grandfather.. http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/upd...vernment-help/

Yeah I mentioned him earlier in the thread.....his mum got very little coverage when Ben went missing

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Yeah I mentioned him earlier in the thread.....his mum got very little coverage when Ben went missing

The case is still ongoing though, not as high profile as Madeline McCann, but they dug up the area around the grandparents home last year expecting to find a body but nothing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zee

They've been hiring private investigators for years, they've held up police investigations by not cooperating fully, they've got the police looking at the case once again despite absolutely no new information coming to light, they've just changed the way they've looked at the investigation... the case has gone cold, they're just flogging a dead horse for more money because they don't have any other options, they don't want to accept that their poor decision making led to this situation. I have never once seen them accept any level of criticism or blame. They've got a terrible public image because they've turned themselves into public figures. This is the reason they get criticised. Nobody has ever criticised April Jones' parents for letting her play outside unattended. Nobody has ever criticised the Wells or Chapman families for letting Holly and Jessica go out by themselves. There is a world of difference between a tragic kidnapping and what the McCanns did.

..but Madeleine has never been found though, isn't that the difference..?..and because she has never been found, that leads to speculations and different possibilities..?...and yeah, they don't have the best public image with some of the public I know..but that doesn't mean that they're responsible for anything other than leaving Madeleine that night ....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The case is still ongoing though, not as high profile as Madeline McCann, but they dug up the area around the grandparents home last year expecting to find a body but nothing.

..yeah, that wasn't that many years ago either, was it..?...

[Z]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but Madeleine has never been found though, isn't that the difference..?..and because she has never been found, that leads to speculations and different possibilities..?...and yeah, they don't have the best public image with some of the public I know..but that doesn't mean that they're responsible for anything other than leaving Madeleine that night ....

April Jones has never been found. They sentenced the man they believed murdered her but they've never found a body. I'm of the opinion that what they are responsible of, i.e. irresponsibly leaving their three infants by themselves that night (and every other night of their holiday), is still bad enough that they ought to be punished instead of treated as sympathetic figures in the media. No, they shouldn't be punished forever for such a catastrophic mistake, but to see them getting all this special attention around the world for what was an obscene level of negligence is more than a little bit difficult to take.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

They've been hiring private investigators for years, they've held up police investigations by not cooperating fully, they've got the police looking at the case once again despite absolutely no new information coming to light, they've just changed the way they've looked at the investigation... the case has gone cold, they're just flogging a dead horse for more money because they don't have any other options, they don't want to accept that their poor decision making led to this situation. I have never once seen them accept any level of criticism or blame. They've got a terrible public image because they've turned themselves into public figures. This is the reason they get criticised. Nobody has ever criticised April Jones' parents for letting her play outside unattended. Nobody has ever criticised the Wells or Chapman families for letting Holly and Jessica go out by themselves. There is a world of difference between a tragic kidnapping and what the McCanns did.

On that note..in a daily mirror article today, the McCanns and the mother of James Bulger were compared

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...knRGXE.twitter

I hope she complains tbh. There is nothing similar abut momentarily losing track of your child and what they did.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zee

April Jones has never been found. They sentenced the man they believed murdered her but they've never found a body. I'm of the opinion that what they are responsible of, i.e. irresponsibly leaving their three infants by themselves that night (and every other night of their holiday), is still bad enough that they ought to be punished instead of treated as sympathetic figures in the media. No, they shouldn't be punished forever for such a catastrophic mistake, but to see them getting all this special attention around the world for what was an obscene level of negligence is more than a little bit difficult to take.

..I do find it hard to understand them leaving the children alone and especially so after they said that she had woken up the night before and asked where they were..but I see them getting an equal if not more amount of criticism as they do any sympathy and on the Crimewatch interview, Kate volunteered the information that Madeleine had woken up the night before and hadn't liked them going out and leaving her alone..so in saying that..to the world...that's not really going to get any sympathy/understanding, is it..so I don't see that they do that, they just want to keep the case high profile....

EDIT:..but also, isn't losing Madeleine for their decision to leave the children that night a huge, lifelong punishment...they have to live with that forever...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

god, you have got it bad!

you cant do enough to make them out to be monsters,

they where not distressed when they left them, foreign country, yes a holiday resort, not war torn country.

it was not an 18 to 30 holiday and they where getting smashed every night.

how many parents are drunk or on drugs at night while in charge of their kids?
bloody thousands!

Of course they weren't.

That's like saying "You weren't crying BEFORE I kicked you in the leg".

They were put to sleep and then the adults went off to the restaurant.

A child then waking in the night being left in a dark apartment wondering where the hell their parents, the adults, their protectors are and crying because they don't know that they've just popped out for a meal then leaves them crying themselves back to sleep. We are talking about babies aged 3 and under.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I do find it hard to understand them leaving the children alone and especially so after they said that she had woken up the night before and asked where they were..but I see them getting an equal if not more amount of criticism as they do any sympathy and on the Crimewatch interview, Kate volunteered the information that Madeleine had woken up the night before and hadn't liked them going out and leaving her alone..so in saying that..to the world...that's not really going to get any sympathy/understanding, is it..so I don't see that they do that, they just want to keep the case high profile....

EDIT:..but also, isn't losing Madeleine for their decision to leave the children that night a huge, lifelong punishment...they have to live with that forever...

It did sound as though by the way she said it that she was trying to make out that they were being extra vigilant in there checks that night because she said that which made me think they weren't checking as regularly the previous nights

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It did sound as though by the way she said it that she was trying to make out that they were being extra vigilant in there checks that night because she said that which made me think they weren't checking as regularly the previous nights

They weren't

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

She states that on the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22H30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger.

Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted "Daddy, Daddy", the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23H45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

[Marsh.]

That sounds dodgy. Were they at the Tapas bar on those nights or further afield?

Because the 50 metre distance to the Tapas bar, surely they'd have heard crying?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On that note..in a daily mirror article today, the McCanns and the mother of James Bulger were compared

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...knRGXE.twitter

I hope she complains tbh. There is nothing similar abut momentarily losing track of your child and what they did.

James was with his mom,she took her eyes off him for a few minutes ,she was also with another adult who was outside with him who also got sidetracked for a couple on minutes,the scenario is totally different and imo it's totally obscene to compare them and I think Denise and Ralph have had enough upset and disappointment over James without being lumped in with the McCann arseholes.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

James was with his mom,she took her eyes off him for a few minutes ,she was also with another adult who was outside with him who also got sidetracked for a couple on minutes,the scenario is totally different and imo it's totally obscene to compare them and I think Denise and Ralph have had enough upset and disappointment over James without being lumped in with the McCann arseholes.

Exactly. The huge majority of comments on the article say the same too. Very bad journalism.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It did sound as though by the way she said it that she was trying to make out that they were being extra vigilant in there checks that night because she said that which made me think they weren't checking as regularly the previous nights

..that just seemed like the oddest thing to say when she didn't have to, it was a private conversation with Madeleine and a huge part of the public were already screaming 'bad parent'....to me it kind of made them look worse for leaving them that night...yeah, she could have said it to let people know they were being extra vigilant but if that was what she was doing, it seems almost like she's stupid not realise how bad it made them look, which would be odd if they were 'clever people' who had covered something up for all these years...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly. The huge majority of comments on the article say the same too. Very bad journalism.

Extremely bad taste Vicky,I did wonder how long it would be for some idiot to do this.Grrrrr.I have HAD to respond to her.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly. The huge majority of comments on the article say the same too. Very bad journalism.

Yeah, I can't see many people comparing the two cases....awful comparison

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They left Portugal straight after becoming suspects I think ( I might be wrong about that though)

The following day ,with Kate saying she would take lie detector test ......still waiting

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The following day ,with Kate saying she would take lie detector test ......still waiting

Can I ask Chuff what is the purpose of the group you belong to?


and to the previous posts comparing Jamie Bulger to Madeline is in very poor taste there is no comparison at all.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can I ask Chuff what is the purpose of the group you belong to?


and to the previous posts comparing Jamie Bulger to Madeline is in very poor taste there is no comparison at all.

Yeah, I think every parent could sympathize and understand how you could take your eyes off a toddler for a minute which is why leaving toddlers unattended for as long a time as the McCanns did, knowing that bad things can happen to kids that young if you do take your eyes off them for even the shortest time, is unfathomable.

Also, the explanation for leaving the patio door unlocked was incase of fire that kids could get out I believe? How did they expect their 2 2 year olds to get out of their cots though?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, that wasn't that many years ago either, was it..?...

I think it was last year Ammi.