[Shaun]

oh nvm i posted that before I saw your sports-forum hate

****ing sket

[T*]

Zee

[Kizzy]

Zee specifically said some have a vendetta and some were misled, he misinterpreted your comment saying you misunderstood joey which as you say was not down to any one person.
Thankyou for clarifying that.
I don't understand this negative balance, there seems to be enough negative balance on here already tbh.
One thing is true all there are things some agree on and some they don't, I don't like the razzies and that's all it is.
If others do great, it wasn't my idea to stop them.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Misled was perhaps the wrong word to use, I meant that he misunderstood what the Razzies really was because of all the negativity surrounding it, due to people opting out and hyping up just how awful it was supposed to be, when really it's intended as a tongue in cheek award ceremony to remind everyone of the funny and embarrassing moments over the past year.

I don't think it's your fault Kizzy, I never said that. In fact as far as the current state of affairs goes, I put the blame squarely on the bickering between the same small group of people (and all distributed evenly, I don't believe anyone is more to blame than anyone else), which then created the "opt out" phenomenon, which then fed back into the constant bickering between the same parties who cannot give it a bloody rest. I quite honestly do not give a **** about why you, Jesus and Glenn are all so determined to snipe away at each other in every thread on the forum because I like you all individually and I think you're all fantastic contributors to the forum but it just really pisses me off to see the Razzies take the flak when the real issue is not a forum awards ceremony that is based on the real life Razzie Awards but the people who cause the drama surrounding it. It's madness to suggest otherwise, in my opinion.

I don't think I'm being at all contradictory and I really didn't want to name names because it's probably going to cause more aggravation which isn't the intention at all. I'm fairly confident I speak on behalf of most of the forum when I say that none of us care why you three constantly pick fights with each other, all I really want to see is the Sports forum get worst sub forum again, is that too much to ask

the post was alright until then

[Z]

Originally Posted by Drew.

the post was alright until then

It's been made clear to me that Shaun and Drew have been campaigning to get The Razzies cancelled to try and spare the Sports forum yet another embarrassment

[Shaun]

i was actually just selfishly trying to get matt to be my official graphics-designer and nothing more

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

Misled was perhaps the wrong word to use, I meant that he misunderstood what the Razzies really was because of all the negativity surrounding it, due to people opting out and hyping up just how awful it was supposed to be, when really it's intended as a tongue in cheek award ceremony to remind everyone of the funny and embarrassing moments over the past year.

I don't think it's your fault Kizzy, I never said that. In fact as far as the current state of affairs goes, I put the blame squarely on the bickering between the same small group of people (and all distributed evenly, I don't believe anyone is more to blame than anyone else), which then created the "opt out" phenomenon, which then fed back into the constant bickering between the same parties who cannot give it a bloody rest. I quite honestly do not give a **** about why you, Jesus and Glenn are all so determined to snipe away at each other in every thread on the forum because I like you all individually and I think you're all fantastic contributors to the forum but it just really pisses me off to see the Razzies take the flak when the real issue is not a forum awards ceremony that is based on the real life Razzie Awards but the people who cause the drama surrounding it. It's madness to suggest otherwise, in my opinion.

I don't think I'm being at all contradictory and I really didn't want to name names because it's probably going to cause more aggravation which isn't the intention at all. I'm fairly confident I speak on behalf of most of the forum when I say that none of us care why you three constantly pick fights with each other, all I really want to see is the Sports forum get worst sub forum again, is that too much to ask

zee, I appreciate your honesty... And I think you're great.
You're right, there are people who don't get on...
That's probably contributed to my dislike and distrust of the razzies as I can see it causing even worse confrontation on the forum.
Holding people you don't really get on with for mockery and humiliation is never going to end well is it?
That's probably why lots of people got banned following previous razzies?
I wanted to try and avoid that if I could, did I think it would rumble on for this long after?... no.

[GypsyGoth]

I think the Razzies are also a light hearted look at the forum over the year. I don't think they're meant to be malicious.

Kizzy would you have a problem with them if they went ahead with you opted out?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Matt

So James wanted to announce this, but I'm going to steal his thunder... he has forbidden me from doing the Razzies this year.

Well, on TiBB at least...

loooool the one thing that would make an already near-dead forum active and it gets cancelled, great work

[T*]

Originally Posted by Shaun

i was actually just selfishly trying to get matt to be my official graphics-designer and nothing more

Oh

[Marcus.]

sad it is gone

[Kizzy]

I don't get this 'near dead' thing?
The forum is as alive as it ever has been as far as I can see... x factor, IAC, SD, sports, chat, funny stuff what's missing apart from the drama that surrounds the razzies?
I seriously think some aren't happy unless they are ripping someone to shreads.

[Jack_]

Seriously though the issues surrounding The Razzies are so blown out of proportion.

If you don't like them, and don't wish to participate, that's fine. Like, absolutely fine. I can understand why some people may wish not to and I'm sure other people understand too. But why does this mean that everyone else then has to suffer because of it? Because some people don't like them, and because it apparently causes so much drama (when it lasts for one evening, then maybe spills over one or two extra days before everyone forgets about it)...yet there's drama all year round over issues that aren't even related to the Razzies? Arguments are always going to occur on forums, TiBB is never going to have some sudden burst of utopia where everyone gets along and sings You've Got A Friend. Realistically, is that going to happen anywhere on the internet? No, and so none of these attempts to curb the problem by cancelling these long-running and what are intended to be light-hearted and humorous award ceremonies are going to work.

It's quite simple what the solution is, and I still don't know why this hasn't happened yet despite being suggested by many. You can opt out if you wish, that's perfectly understandable, but if that's the case you shouldn't be allowed to participate in or comment on the thread whatsoever. More to the point, why would you want to? If you don't like something or have no interest in it, and this goes for most things in life, why would you continue to want to talk about it? That makes no sense. The Razzies should be a private thread for members only (perhaps with a certain number of posts), so immediately that gets rid of this bizarre idea that new members would be put off by reading these awards, and it should also be private only to those members who haven't opted out (or, if we really must go this far - members that have opted in, so that way everyone that wishes to take part has actually specified their consent and has absolutely no reason to complain at any possible results).

That way those of us who view these awards for what they actually are, a humorous and light-hearted look at some of TiBB's funniest or most stand-out moments from the past year, are able to do so. Only those people who have given their consent can be nominated, so anyone that doesn't want their issues being dragged up doesn't have to, and anyone that has no interest in or doesn't like The Razzies isn't a part of them, because that's what they've asked for. It remains a strictly private thread where the results are discussed within that thread only, and if any discussion spills out of it after the results, then people are quite rightly infracted/banned, which solves the problem of it causing problems on the forum once it has finished.

The resolution seems quite logical to me, why we must get rid of a yearly tradition just because it's 'offensive' to like three people who usually opt out anyway and because it apparently causes drama which already exists on the other 364 days of the year regardless...is, in all honesty, beyond me.

[Kizzy]

I don't think there's anymore I can say apart from i'm bracing myself for some kind of fallout from this.
James tried the opt out thing and it didn't work or it would be happening again?
He and zee are right, there are just people who just don't get on.
The forum is never going to be 100% harmonious as you say jack, having a razzies would just exacerbate the problem.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Structured? It's a bitchfest simple as, the guy gave his reasons so no matter how it's justified or dressed up the fact is it isn't happening.

The whole point of opting out or in is if people don't feel comfortable taking part don't have to. Many of us don't mind being in it and take it with a pinch of salt like we have done for years and those who feel so strongly about it have the choice of not being part of it. Their sway on it then becomes null, but yet again something else is ruined because a group of ****ing whiney, moany half wits have nothing better to do then nit pick at things despite the fact they are some of the worst ****ing people on this forum and a massive reason people hate this place.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You would think, except the next thing was to treat those who opted out like a leper... which ever way it happened some people were going to be made to feel targeted, ridiculed, and otherwise ostracised.
I haven't been here long myself reece, but that's how I saw the razzies reading through past threads and speaking to those 'awarded'.

No only a couple of those who opted out made themselves feel like that beacuse they then carried on acting as if the razzies was effecting their lives when in all honestly nobody really cared they opted out until they kept going on and on and on about it.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't think there's anymore I can say apart from i'm bracing myself for some kind of fallout from this.
James tried the opt out thing and it didn't work or it would be happening again?
He and zee are right, there are just people who just don't get on.
The forum is never going to be 100% harmonious as you say jack, having a razzies would just exacerbate the problem.

having a ****ing clique on the forum exacerbates the problem more.

[michael21]

just give every gold stars

[Benjamin]

And before you think Kizzy that is aimed solely at you it isn't. It is aimed at this pointless and irritating sniping and arguing that has been going on for the last year between two cliques which to be honest is far worse than the Razzies arguing has ever been, honestly it is unbearable, members have left the forum because of it, yet nothing ever seems to get done about it, yet the razzies is an easy target.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

The whole point of opting out or in is if people don't feel comfortable taking part don't have to. Many of us don't mind being in it and take it with a pinch of salt like we have done for years and those who feel so strongly about it have the choice of not being part of it. Their sway on it then becomes null, but yet again something else is ruined because a group of ****ing whiney, moany half wits have nothing better to do then nit pick at things despite the fact they are some of the worst ****ing people on this forum and a massive reason people hate this place.

I knew someone would start getting offensive eventually... didn't expect it to be you ben but ok.
I explained why I think the opt out thing didn't work, why you think those who opted out are the worst on the forum I don't know.
If you don't like my posts fine.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I knew someone would start getting offensive eventually... didn't expect it to be you ben but ok.
I explained why I think the opt out thing didn't work, why you think those who opted out are the worst on the forum I don't know.
If you don't like my posts fine.

I did say a few (not all) that opted out. A select few who did were the main cause of the arguments last time along with the couple of others who were still in thriving off the sniping. The arguments last time really had nothing to do with the razzies but just another excuse (as if one is ever needed) for the cliques to get one over on each other.

Most of us are not involved in the petty battle that goes on between these cliques yet we have to endure it on here pretty much everyday and then things we look forward to are then ruined because of it.

[Jack_]

The opt out thing 'didn't work' because those who opted out continued to participate and comment on the thread. That's it. No discussion. That is the reason. And I still to do this day can't understand why those people chose to. Actually, I take that back because Joey opted out and he didn't post once in any Razzie related thread, and I remember I had a lot of respect for him for doing that, because he didn't want to participate and so quite rightly chose to get on with contributing in other areas of the forum that he was interested in.

If you actively make a point of not wishing to participate in something, why would you then continue to talk about it? There really isn't any logic to that. I don't like Dr Who, I don't watch it and then go into threads to talk about how uninteresting it was to me and how it needs to be cancelled because I have no interest in it...because that's counter productive and is ultimately, well...um...petty. Pointless? Even ridiculous.

No one has any issue with people opting out, or not wishing to opt in, that's cool and is those people's prerogative. But if you make a point of distancing yourself from these awards, then you should follow through on that and not post in the threads, not comment on the awards, have absolutely no participation in the event at all...basically everything you requested in the first place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

And before you think Kizzy that is aimed solely at you it isn't. It is aimed at this pointless and irritating sniping and arguing that has been going on for the last year between two cliques which to be honest is far worse than the Razzies arguing has ever been, honestly it is unbearable, members have left the forum because of it, yet nothing ever seems to get done about it, yet the razzies is an easy target.

What do you want me to do ben?...
Tell me.. roll over? piss off?
I have strong opinions and a mind of my own, as far as I know they're not usually seen as a negative.
Wouldn't say I was confrontational either.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What do you want me to do ben?...
Tell me.. roll over? piss off?
I have strong opinions and a mind of my own, as far as I know they're not usually seen as a negative.
Wouldn't say I was confrontational either.

I want everyone involved in this annoying petty bickering/sniping to stop. Honestly most of the forum is so sick of hearing about it now. We don't care who has the last word or who can outdo the other with a snipe because we really do not care, the last year has seen to that.

And I never said you were confrontational etc, stop putting words into my mouth or reading into things that are not there.

But the Razzies has been effected because of it, when the majority of the forum take it in good spirits.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The opt out thing 'didn't work' because those who opted out continued to participate and comment on the thread. That's it. No discussion. That is the reason. And I still to do this day can't understand why those people chose to. Actually, I take that back because Joey opted out and he didn't post once in any Razzie related thread, and I remember I had a lot of respect for him for doing that, because he didn't want to participate and so quite rightly chose to get on with contributing in other areas of the forum that he was interested in.

If you actively make a point of not wishing to participate in something, why would you then continue to talk about it? There really isn't any logic to that. I don't like Dr Who, I don't watch it and then go into threads to talk about how uninteresting it was to me and how it needs to be cancelled because I have no interest in it...because that's counter productive and is ultimately, well...um...petty. Pointless? Even ridiculous.

No one has any issue with people opting out, or not wishing to opt in, that's cool and is those people's prerogative. But if you make a point of distancing yourself from these awards, then you should follow through on that and not post in the threads, not comment on the awards, have absolutely no participation in the event at all...basically everything you requested in the first place.

No jack they didn't... that's a lie.
Show me one comment from someone who opted out.
These are some ridiculous lengths to go to, and I'm stunned at the passionate comments made by people desprate to 'throw shade'
I wish James woyld bring it back as this is going to cause the people who opted out of the last razzies no end of ****!