[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Tbf though Jack a large proportion of her votes were probably down to the perception that she's 'ordinary' and relatable

I'm not denying that but that isn't 'fixing', it's just manipulation and as I said in the other post anyone that genuinely watches a show like X Factor expecting a genuine, fair talent competition with integrity is sadly mistaken. Once people start watching it for what it actually is - a Saturday and Sunday night primetime entertainment show on the biggest commercial channel in the UK (which means they are relentlessly chasing ratings and ad revenue throwing all chances of a tame contest with no drama or manipulation out of the window), they'll enjoy it a lot more

The Voice is the closest thing we are getting to a genuine singing competition and just look at how dull that's been so far, but the BBC don't have advertisers to please

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not denying that but that isn't 'fixing', it's just manipulation and as I said in the other post anyone that genuinely watches a show like X Factor expecting a genuine, fair talent competition with integrity is sadly mistaken. Once people start watching it for what it actually is - a Saturday and Sunday night primetime entertainment show on the biggest commercial channel in the UK (which means they are relentlessly chasing ratings and ad revenue throwing all chances of a tame contest with no drama or manipulation out of the window), they'll enjoy it a lot more

The Voice is the closest thing we are getting to a genuine singing competition and just look at how dull that's been so far, but the BBC don't have advertisers to please

I wonder if she had got to the final without all the manipualtion. I don't deny she can sing, but she doesn't wow me.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not denying that but that isn't 'fixing', it's just manipulation and as I said in the other post anyone that genuinely watches a show like X Factor expecting a genuine, fair talent competition with integrity is sadly mistaken. Once people start watching it for what it actually is - a Saturday and Sunday night primetime entertainment show on the biggest commercial channel in the UK (which means they are relentlessly chasing ratings and ad revenue throwing all chances of a tame contest with no drama or manipulation out of the window), they'll enjoy it a lot more

The Voice is the closest thing we are getting to a genuine singing competition and just look at how dull that's been so far, but the BBC don't have advertisers to please

Good point I guess

[Vanessa]

This isn't The Voice. It's the X Factor. A good voice is not enough.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

This isn't The Voice. It's the X Factor. A good voice is not enough.

Really? Well tell that to Leona Lewis.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Really? Well tell that to Leona Lewis.

Leona Lewis had plenty of charisma and stage presence. She was my favourite that year.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Really? Well tell that to Leona Lewis.

Leona is still able to perform, just because she's not jumping up and down the stage doesn't mean that Leona can't perform, Sam Bailey has nowhere near the voice of Leona and she cannot perform at all, it comes off way too karaoke with the attempts at being fun or intense.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Leona is still able to perform, just because she's not jumping up and down the stage doesn't mean that Leona can't perform, Sam Bailey has nowhere near the voice of Leona and she cannot perform at all, it comes off way too karaoke with the attempts at being fun or intense.

Agreed. Leona is amazing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not denying that but that isn't 'fixing', it's just manipulation and as I said in the other post anyone that genuinely watches a show like X Factor expecting a genuine, fair talent competition with integrity is sadly mistaken. Once people start watching it for what it actually is - a Saturday and Sunday night primetime entertainment show on the biggest commercial channel in the UK (which means they are relentlessly chasing ratings and ad revenue throwing all chances of a tame contest with no drama or manipulation out of the window), they'll enjoy it a lot more

The Voice is the closest thing we are getting to a genuine singing competition and just look at how dull that's been so far, but the BBC don't have advertisers to please

Totally agree with this, the X is very staged but without all the staging and manipulation it would be a pretty poor show, never been able to watch the Voice beyond the first one or two shows.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Totally agree with this, the X is very staged but without all the staging and manipulation it would be a pretty poor show, never been able to watch the Voice beyond the first one or two shows.

The main issue with The Voice UK is that the contestants on it can't sing.