[Red Moon]

Can I remind people that gang warfare is not approved of on the site and nor are personal insults.

Can we keep the thread on topic and discuss the issues and not the posters.

Or the thread will be closed and warnings could be issued.

Red

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


No words in the show were racist. There were comments which may have had racial overtones, but, if they were seriously bad, the show would have been in trouble and this was NOT the case.

I know that you are attempting to state those words and make them into racism, but it has to be handled delicately and there are people who have more experience on definations of racism and what is and isn't acceptable.

I've narrowed it down to this as the rest is waffle. Do you remember my cumquats comment? They're still in your mouth.

How can you say this when there was an outrage within the Indian community. Whether you believe it or not - and this must be the third of fourth time I've had to make this point - some people deemed her comments to be racist. Do you not see the problem?

And please can I emphasise the word "brief" to describe your reply.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

I know that you are attempting to state those words and make them into racism, but it has to be handled delicately and there are people who have more experience on definations of racism and what is and isn't acceptable.

I don't think she is racist at all, or that anything she said was racist. You know this because I told you, and you commented on this.

Spacebandit did not mention anything about racism (apart from the sing song which we still lnow nothing about).

Can you answer the point I keep re-iterating about her trip to India, or are you avoiding this issue for some reason?

check your u2u messages

[GiRTh]

Look at Red getting all-masterful. Posting in red and all.

Moony, nodisharmony started this thread and in his/her first ever post on the forum made the hugely braggadocios (I love that word) claim that he/she was going to change people minds.

He/she has then proceeded to make the same misjudged posts over and over again. Everybody has at some point chipped in to slice his/her posts to pieces. This is not an intended gang it's a by-product of someone claming they can do the impossible i.e. Make Jade Goody seem likeable.

[Mrluvaluva]

to nodisharmony:

If you are just a fan of Jades, why can't you just say?

I don't like playing games. They're pathetic.

Answer the question or shove off.

Avoiding answering the question is just as bad as lying, That makes me think you are not being honest, and influences my judgement of you.

We therefore cannot have a meaningful conversation.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade did NOT make any racist comments!

Erm...yes she did.

The Big Brother show will NOT allow racism on the show. Anybody being racist will be thrown out.

They did allow it. They obviously didn't forsee the uproar it would cause, and they then went on a damage limitation exercise.

The show has responsabilities to it's viewers. If something has offended many viewers, it is their job to sort this and this is what they do.

They had a half hearted attempt at sorting it out when they called Danielle and Jade into the diary room (the highlights show only showed a slight portion of their diary room chats.)

The Big Brother show was not getting the ratings that they were looking for.

True. Which is why they were happy to tolerate the absive behaviour of Jade and her crew. It got people talking and therefore watching.

What they tried to do is make certain changes. They split the house in two parts and brought in Jade and he family. Jermaine Jackson, Ken Russell and Shilpa Shetty became part of their family.

Do you work for Endemol? How do you know what their plans were? I would suggest that the splitting of the house was planned before the series began. They couldn't have know who the housemates would choose to remain in the main house.

Suddenly, there was friction building between Shilpa Shetty and Jade Goody and Jo and Danielle. This was something worth pursuing. There was not too much else to talk about.

I won't disagree with you there. But as I said earlier, that's the reason that they were prepared to allow such awful behaviour from the three girls (and to a lesser extent, Jack.)

SUDDENLY, There was some words in sentances, referring to Shilpa Shetty which seemed to have "Racial overtones". It was'nt any of the three girls being racist people, it was just their naivety and stupidity which made them stumble into that area.

How do you know?

Suddenly, after these comments were aired, there was a global media frenzy! An argument between Jade & Shilpa, with Danielle & Jo laughing their heads off.

Again I agree. That was exactly what Endemol had hoped for. But imagine if Jade, Jo and Danielle had acted perfectly reasonably? They could have done that if they had chosen - but they were happy to rant and rave at Shilpa and find it hilarious.

Beyond that point, the outrage had increased, so did the complaints and there was talk about ending the show. Things had got to almost breaking point.

Ratings were up by millions

And again I have to say - it was obvious that such a media furore would increase viewing figures. That's why Endemol tolerated Jade and co.'s behaviour for so long.

Anyway, It was sorted and the Big Brother show, continued with it's transmission. The problem between Shilpa and the girls continued and more stuff got said and eventually there was a change of mood in the house.

But it wasn't sorted! The change of mood happened way before the stock cube argument. Things only got (superficially) better because BB warned Danielle and Jade that their behaviour was not being looked on favourably.

You are mentioning words and sentances which are apparently Racist!!

BUT, Big Brother do not allow racism. Any racist comments would be bird-whistled out and that housemate thrown out or seriously warned.

They do allow racism, because that is what happened. They warned Jade and Danielle - that was their way of calming the situation.

The show is NOT going to place themselves in this position, they are NOT stupid! They know exactly how to make and run this programme and also, what get's ratings.

Yes!! They know that conflict, scandal and controversy gets ratings. So they were happy to allow the situation to continue. If they had kicked Jade out, the house would have calmed down, which would not have been good for ratings.

People crave for Jade Goody as she has what viewers like. She makes drama and gives us all a bit of excitement.

People obviously don't crave her, because she is now extremely unpopular. If she is so craved, how come more than 80% of the votes were to evict her over Shilpa?

I'd say that anyone who finds Jade exciting could do with some excitement in their life.

I know that you are attempting to state those words and make them into racism, but it has to be handled delicately and there are people who have more experience on definations of racism and what is and isn't acceptable.

Are you one of those people? How do you know what experience in such matters anyone here has?

However, Jade Goody has been placed in the unfortunate position of being the ring leader.

She placed herself in that position.

If you asked "Jo O'Meara". (Do You Need People To Follow?"

Or, (Can You Make Your Mind Up and Not Be A Follower)

She would, of course say, (NO) to the first question & (YES) to the second.

Sorry - maybe it's me, but I can't understand what on earth you are trying to say here.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GRiT

I've narrowed it down to this as the rest is waffle. Do you remember my cumquats comment? They're still in your mouth.

How can you say this when there was an outrage within the Indian community. Whether you believe it or not - and this must be the third of fourth time I've had to make this point - some people deemed her comments to be racist. Do you not see the problem?

And please can I emphasise the word "brief" to describe your reply.

I can only say what the facts are and the way things are displayed to the public and even yourself.

We can all debate in a vacuum

That part is very easy to do. What if? It could have? if this? (we can all debate on that score)

I do state things which may offend you, as Jade Goody is no angel and is not perfect either. She does have a very fiery personality and is very upfront with her opinions, which 9 times out of 10 she's right!!

Sometimes the truth hurts.

In answer to your question, were people offended by Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd & Jo O'Meara's comments? the answer to that question is obviously YES!!

I have been on this forum, making the truth known and also at the same time, trying to prove to you all that Jade Goody is not a Racist Bully.

People were offended and Jade Goody recognized this straight away and has done nothing but say sorry for her part in all of this and she has said many things in many interviews.

She did not look at Shilpa Shetty as anything else but a person. Colour of skin was nothing to do with it. Any comment that was said on the Big Brother show was NOT a racist comment.

You can blame Big Brother, if you wish?

I am NOT on here to defend them, only Jade Goody. However. If Big Brother have stated clearly that there is NO racism EVER allowed in their show and the police have looked into this and had conversations with Endemol and the conclusion has been drawn.

There has been NO racism present on the Big Brother show. But, as this show zoned in on words and sentances that could be deemed to be slightly over the top, with possible (racial overtones) Then it is fair to say, that, people have every right to complain by the way the show was broadcasted.

This is what has caused Jade Goody and the girls, the greif that they are experiencing today.

Jade Goody gives what audiences at home want to see in a reality show. But, as she has been judged from past experiences of being on a reality show. People have judged her from the past and have added this recent bullyish looking nature and various words and sentances with possible racial overtones to Jade Goody's problem.

NOW SHE IS APPARENTLY THE ENEMY?

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by Ruth

Sorry - maybe it's me, but I can't understand what on earth you are trying to say here.

I think they are trying to say that Jade did not lead the girls astray Ruth. It's the question of "If Jade had not been there, would it have happened"? I think not.

[mansi]

Originally posted by BAZG
to nodisharmony:

If you are just a fan of Jades, why can't you just say?

I don't like playing games. They're pathetic.

Answer the question or shove off.

Avoiding answering the question is just as bad as lying, That makes me think you are not being honest, and influences my judgement of you.

We therefore cannot have a meaningful conversation.

agree .............?

[mansi]

busy typing away your essay?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by mansi
busy typing away your essay?

There's no need for negativity.

Anyway, about the topic - why would someone notice the numberplate, and then go on and chase the car/administer insults/abuse? LOL too much hassle if you ask me.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by mansi
busy typing away your essay?

they are offline again

[tinkerbell]

I dont think any dignified and respectable person would do that, so embarassing!

[Mrluvaluva]

back on!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by BAZG
back on!

It's not a witch hunt, haha.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Lauren

It's not a witch hunt, haha.

I'm just joking.

[James]

Best to stick to the topic.

Jade is getting herself talked about here, I'll grant her that!

To be honest I prefer her to just quietly leave public life.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Lauren

There's no need for negativity.

Anyway, about the topic - why would someone notice the numberplate, and then go on and chase the car/administer insults/abuse? LOL too much hassle if you ask me.

People see the number plate on the car.

Work out, very quickly what the Number Plate is saying and then, all those feelings come out from within "those minds."

The kind of minds which work overtime hating Jade Goody.

Last year, people liked her.

This year, PEOPLE HATE HER!!

This is why, he has to kiss goodbye to Ł250 and the number plate.

Lucky there is Ebay!!!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony




Last year, people liked her.

This year, PEOPLE HATE HER!!

In 1933 people loved Hitler

!939 - go figure

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I can only say what the facts are and the way things are displayed to the public and even yourself.

Yes, but until you state otherwise, you only have the same material to go on as the rest of us. This means that what you are stating is opinion, not fact. If you have insiderknowledge, please tell. The fact that you have been asked this many times and have refused to answer suggests one of two thinggs. 1. You have no insider knowledge and don't want to admit it 2. You are coming on here to wind people up.

I do state things which may offend you, as Jade Goody is no angel and is not perfect either. She does have a very fiery personality and is very upfront with her opinions, which 9 times out of 10 she's right!!

Sometimes the truth hurts.

What opinions are you referring to? Again, if she expresses her opinions and you agree with them, it doesn't necessarily make her right or wrong. I have not seen Jade be right about much in my opinion.

In answer to your question, were people offended by Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd & Jo O'Meara's comments? the answer to that question is obviously YES!!

I have been on this forum, making the truth known and also at the same time, trying to prove to you all that Jade Goody is not a Racist Bully.

We can all see the truth for ourselves. Unless you have some insider knowledge which you are willing to impart, why should anyone believe your version of the truth anymore than their own?

People were offended and Jade Goody recognized this straight away and has done nothing but say sorry for her part in all of this and she has said many things in many interviews.

Straight away? She didn't recognise it straight away otherwise she would have stopped. She only stopped when BB told her that her actions were being viewed unfavourably.

She did not look at Shilpa Shetty as anything else but a person. Colour of skin was nothing to do with it. Any comment that was said on the Big Brother show was NOT a racist comment.

With apologies for repeating myself - how do you know how Jade viewed Shilpa, or whether or not colour of skin had anything to do with it?

You can blame Big Brother, if you wish?

They are partly to blame for not stepping in earlier, and for not taking a hard enough line when they did step in.

I am NOT on here to defend them, only Jade Goody. However. If Big Brother have stated clearly that there is NO racism EVER allowed in their show and the police have looked into this and had conversations with Endemol and the conclusion has been drawn.

Well of course they will say that they don't allow racism. However, their actions speak louder than their words.

This is what has caused Jade Goody and the girls, the greif that they are experiencing today.

No - it is their own behaviour that has caused Jade and co the grief that they are experiencing today.

Jade Goody gives what audiences at home want to see in a reality show.

Obviously not, as more than 80% of votes were to evict her.

But, as she has been judged from past experiences of being on a reality show. People have judged her from the past and have added this recent bullyish looking nature and various words and sentances with possible racial overtones to Jade Goody's problem.

Exactly. Her past behaviour just goes to show that her behaviour in the house this year was not a one-off.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Ruth

Yes, but until you state otherwise, you only have the same material to go on as the rest of us. This means that what you are stating is opinion, not fact. If you have insiderknowledge, please tell. The fact that you have been asked this many times and have refused to answer suggests one of two thinggs. 1. You have no insider knowledge and don't want to admit it 2. You are coming on here to wind people up.

What opinions are you referring to? Again, if she expresses her opinions and you agree with them, it doesn't necessarily make her right or wrong. I have not seen Jade be right about much in my opinion.

We can all see the truth for ourselves. Unless you have some insider knowledge which you are willing to impart, why should anyone believe your version of the truth anymore than their own?

Straight away? She didn't recognise it straight away otherwise she would have stopped. She only stopped when BB told her that her actions were being viewed unfavourably.

With apologies for repeating myself - how do you know how Jade viewed Shilpa, or whether or not colour of skin had anything to do with it?

They are partly to blame for not stepping in earlier, and for not taking a hard enough line when they did step in.

Well of course they will say that they don't allow racism. However, their actions speak louder than their words.

No - it is their own behaviour that has caused Jade and co the grief that they are experiencing today.

Obviously not, as more than 80% of votes were to evict her.

Exactly. Her past behaviour just goes to show that her behaviour in the house this year was not a one-off.

Cheers Ruth. I couldn't have put it better.

Nodisharmony are your posts being dictated to you? You always refer to her by her full name. Odd.

Anyway, cut the waffle and start to back up your facts.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by mansi

agree .............?

Me too.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

In 1933 people loved Hitler

!939 - go figure

You can hardly compare the two!

[Red Moon]

Everything has been said that can be said.

Clearly people will never agree on this subject

Topic Closed

Red