[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That hes telling the truth ?

[Benjamin]

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Anyone who's disagreed with it in this thread have been shouted down and labelled 'delicate queens and princesses' by yourself

pretty sure he said that about certain Twitter users...

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Braden

Some gay people are just so scared that they fit the typical stereotype of being a 'queen', 'queer', 'fag', etc. that they feel the need to 'defend' homophobic actions.

It's quite upsetting really.

Yes, I fully support homophobic actions.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Did he really say that? That's defo out of line and offensive though

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He's perfectly entitled to his opinion (even though it's disgusting and indisputably wrong), but to air it on a national TV show in the UK which is certainly more tolerant than the US when it comes to gay rights is just moronic. Luisa told him to shut up and for his sake he should have listened. If you're going to talk like that on a television show then yes of course you're going to be spoken to. And if I remember the conversation correctly they didn't actually issue him a formal warning, just merely reminded him that what he was saying is potentially offensive to viewers. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though.

This is what religious delusion does to people though, it's sad

What gives you the right to soap box gay rights (in a totally rubbish and biased manner) and end it all by calling religious beliefs delusional. Jack, you need to proof read before you post son.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

pretty sure he said that about certain Twitter users...

it's the same views that are on here so i'm sure the same applies...

[M X]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

What if the question had been - "Evander, do you agree that The Holocaust was brilliant?" and he replied "Yes." would that have been okay because he was just expressing his opinion over something he was asked?

The whole 'its his personal view' argument is so flawed.

[erinp5]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

I am sure Luisa would have been aware of his Christian views. If he goes then I do hope it's in the pairs they went in and he takes her with him.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Anyone who's disagreed with it in this thread have been shouted down and labelled 'delicate queens and princesses' by yourself

Learn to read Jordan, I said on social media.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No ,why is his opinion wrong ? because its not the same as yours? how arrogant ?

No........because it IS WRONG!!!!!
Someone being gay is the same as you being straight. It's the way you were born, the way your chromosomes developed. It's not a disease or an abnormality that can be cured or treated and if you can't see that then it just reflects your level of intelligence. It's really simple to understand!

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

I don't think anybody HATES him Ben. Evander had quite a big fan base in comparison to others so it's more the shock of him saying what he said which has brought this type of response.

The public can be fickle anyway as this can be argued all night. But on the other hand Evander may do something tomorrow that will completely change our opinion's on him.

[joeysteele]

I may surprise some here as I do believe people have the right generally to say what they believe as long as they don't stir up trouble for others.

However, I did find his comparison with being gay with someone born handicapped and that over time that can be helped to be 'cured' in in some way as a totally unacceptable thing to say under any circumstances.
That would have been totally ridiculous were he to have got away with making a comparison like that.

Also, this is the big brother house and in fact no housemates ever get to have such a thing as a 'private' conversation while in there,the programme is watched by the BB staff and the viewers so all the more need for care as to what they say.

He wasn't offensive as in strongly stating his view but he was way out as to even being remotely right as to anything he said concerning the subject,(in my opinion he was anyway).

[M X]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

What because I don't agree with you makes me ignorant? Well that is tough then.

No...

What makes you ignorant is the fact that you deem yourself to be so grown-up and wise but all you do is tell others to 'grow up' and you stand up for homophobic views, which are of course ignorant.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Learn to read Jordan, I said on social media.

um no, If you're moaning about people on twitter complaining surely you think the same for people on here with the same opinion.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JTM45

No........because it IS WRONG!!!!!
Someone being gay is the same as you being straight. It's the way you were born, the way your chromosomes developed. It's not a disease or an abnormality that can be cured or treated and if you can't see that then it just reflects your level of intelligence. It's really simple to understand!

Whos to say it wrong YOU ?

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yes, I fully support homophobic actions.

I never said you did Ben, I know for a fact you wouldn't.

I was only quoting the title of the thread.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Evander is homophobic, he didn't just have views, he went on too insult gay people

[Doogle]

I think everyone's doing a bit much on Ben. Nowhere has he been homophobic or said he liked or agreed with Evander's views.

It's not a good view to have but really someone like him is unlikely to ever change their mind so it's not worth making a big fuss about.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JTM45

No........because it IS WRONG!!!!!
Someone being gay is the same as you being straight. It's the way you were born, the way your chromosomes developed. It's not a disease or an abnormality that can be cured or treated and if you can't see that then it just reflects your level of intelligence. It's really simple to understand!

I totally agree with all that,well said.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Who says it wrong YOU ?

No........Science, genetics, biology and common sense.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Whos to say it wrong YOU ?

Yes, because it is wrong and if you disagree then you are wrong too. Sorry about that.

But then maybe asking for an opinion on homosexuality from someone who frequently expresses racist and xenophobic views on this forum isn't the best idea...

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

What if the question had been - "Evander, do you agree that The Holocaust was brilliant?" and he replied "Yes." would that have been okay because he was just expressing his opinion over something he was asked?

The whole 'its his personal view' argument is so flawed.

Now what are the odds that someone would ask that question??

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

What if the question had been - "Evander, do you agree that The Holocaust was brilliant?" and he replied "Yes." would that have been okay because he was just expressing his opinion over something he was asked?

The whole 'its his personal view' argument is so flawed.

No what is flawed is that people need to realise the context of his comments. If he had actively got up and started saying that to people then yes that would be a reason to get annoyed etc, but he didn't he had a one on one conversation with Luisa who prompted the discussion.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JTM45

No........Science, genetics, biology and common sense.

Jesus wept