[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

If it makes you feel better about yourself then yes, i'm deeply in denial but i'm far too stupid to figure out just what it is i'm in denial about!
Your supreme intelligence, wit and repartee is so far beyond my comprehension that i feel insignificant in your virtual presence!

sarcasm is the lowest form of wit zzzzzzzz

now try and concentrate for longer sentences and you may learn something
freedom of speech is a good thing, a great thing.....remeber ali in the 1970s he wanted seperatism based on HIS experiences....it was discussed and debated and now years later we see seperatism was not the way....yet ali was and is a good man living in a nation that outlawed the black man eating a meal in his hometown living in poverty in many parts , there were endless lynchings racist cops, then the government wanted him to fight the vietnamese ? fight for what?

so according to the PC brigade in this country the way forward is to ban all conversation. 1 wrong word on twitter creates a meltdown. its mindless

these issues must be discussed the way ali bravely discussed his issues in his time. thats the way we progress

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by the truth

So you ignore other suicides? you dont think theres lots of other reasons why they commit suicide? why dont you show as much concern for the mass male suicides worldwide for all men, including hetrosexual ones?

if you are sincere then dont you think allowing some conversation will enhance our understanding ? or do you advocate outlawing all opinions all discussions the way big brother did tonight/?

is there something actually wrong with you? like do you even realise how ******ing random and ridiculous you're being? I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about people who commit suicide because of being gay, and saying if who they were attracted to was a choice they obviously wouldn't need resort to that. That's all I said, I didn't say anything about having different levels of compassion for different people and I didn't once say sexuality is the only reason why people kill themselves

[erinp5]

Rylan Clark
the impartial presenter...not



Everyone is entitled to their opinion... And as a presenter I legally remain unbiased. HOWEVER what evander just said, was disgusting.



The thing is , I genuinely don't think evander thinks what he's saying is offensive. Which comes down to his upbringing and religion....



And as I've said, religion , upbringing etc shapes us all for life. Just so sad to think the fact I'm in love with a man means I'm 'broken'




Everyone's entitled to their opinion,as much as fantastic charities like @stonewalluk campaign, some people think us 'gays' need to be fixed



And now I've said my piece, on with the rest of the series. Each to their own x



But as I say each to their own, we all have our opinions. And are all entitled to them. Off to bed now with my BOYfriend. Night night x

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You are doing young gays no favours by stating that because it infers they are mentally unstable or that Evanders statement could be right, according to your post. Please proof read first.

flop logic, they become mentally unstable because of opinions like Evanders.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You are doing young gays no favours by stating that because it infers they are mentally unstable or that Evanders statement could be right, according to your post. Please proof read first.

No, It proves homophobes like Evander that decide too air these opinions cause damage too other people and cause them too feel isolated & worried, as there are many homophobes out there.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Experimenting is exactly what you said, experimenting.

She was still choosing to be gay.

[Mystic Mock]

Imo freedom of speech should not be stamped out, especially on a show like Big Brother that had Conor threaten to rape a woman and not do anything whatsoever.

Btw I do not agree with Evander's opinion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

No, It proves homophobes like Evander that decide too air these opinions cause damage too other people and cause them too feel isolated & worried, as there are many homophobes out there.

the hetrophobes do the same to hetro men too....the amount of male bashing and male hate in th emedia and on this website outweighs gay bashing by 1000 to 1

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Imo freedom of speech should not be stamped out, especially on a show like Big Brother that had Conor threaten to rape a woman and not do anything whatsoever.

Btw I do not agree with Evander's opinion.

lying again. he was kicked out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

She was still choosing to be gay.

No, she was choosing to experiment with women.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

lying again. he was kicked out.

If you mean conor, he wasnt kicked out. He chose to walk with 50k of the prize money. He got no punishment for what he did at all

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by SoBig

She was still choosing to be gay.

No she was choosing to have gay sex, not choosing her feelings. Is that really ****ing hard to distinguish

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by the truth

the hetrophobes do the same to hetro men too....the amount of male bashing and male hate in th emedia and on this website outweighs gay bashing by 1000 to 1

so true. I feel like a weirdo because I have had one woman since I was 14 and in 2 yrs that's 50 yrs of bliss.

[erinp5]

Originally Posted by the truth

lying again. he was kicked out.

Conor left with 50k

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If you mean conor, he wasnt kicked out. He chose to walk with 50k of the prize money. He got no punishment for what he did at all

That was definitely one of BB's worst mistakes in my opinion!
Considering the warnings some people have had for far less he should have been ejected. If it was just one incident maybe a warning would have sufficed but he pretty much waged a campaign against her.
He was one of the most disgusting BB housemates ever in my opinion.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt do that, poster is lying to you

No why are YOU lying, I've seen the show, read the transcript...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

lying again. he was kicked out.

With Ł50,000

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by reece(:

No why are YOU lying, I've seen the show, read the transcript...

He did exactly what the original poster claimed Reece, no doubt about it.

[Northern Monkey]

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Please go ahead and explain how you'd know what a gay person feels then!?!

My sister is gay,as are my two best friends,one male and one female,and I have had many conversations with them,and others,about their feelings! And being an intelligent being I can empathise with them,and understand their feelings!?!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

Agreed, if you don't like Evander's opinion just don't vote for him to win or stay.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Agreed, if you don't like Evander's opinion just don't vote for him to win or stay.

Exactly It is our choice!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

superbly put, brilliant in fact

[Jack_]

I'm astounded by some of the ignorance in this thread. I left for what, an hour? And I've returned to read some truly bizarre things.

Let's get one thing straight [lol pun] - you do not chose your sexuality. How difficult can this concept be to understand? If you are a man and you are sexually attracted to men, see a man and think he's attractive, wanna stick your dick in him...you are gay. Whether you go on to marry a woman and have kids with a woman or not, you are gay. You have not chosen to be straight, you have chosen (or rather been coerced into it as a result of being brought up in a homophobic environment that has left you scared and/or in denial) to suppress your true sexuality. That's it. That is not a choice to be straight, because you are gay.

Now, once again back onto the Evander subject - yes, he is perfectly entitled to his (wrong, might I add) opinion, that is after all a right given to you in a society which has freedom of speech. But he's on a UK television show broadcast on a terrestrial network which has a couple of million viewers each night, and funnily enough Channel 5 have a brand to protect. Views like that are offensive to some people, and as such they have to cover their backs. If Evander wishes to express such opinions in the presence of his God loving friends, then that's his prerogative. Similarly if he were to have such a discussion in a pub with someone he'd just met, then he's entitled to do so. But he's on a TV show and in case people hadn't realised, he will have had made clear to him before, by both the producers and his agent(s) - that expressing such potentially controversial or left-field opinions could offend viewers, and are topics to avoid discussing. Luisa even tried to stop him in his tracks, but he didn't listen to her. He was not given a formal warning, so those up in arms about that need to seriously calm down. But he was reminded that expressing such views could offend some viewers, which is true and makes such a reprimanding justifiable.

As I've said earlier, I'm glad this discussion was broadcast because these kind of opinions being highlighted in society will only eventually seek to eradicate them as they are challenged and ironed out as we progress as a nation. These debates have to happen, but I'm afraid the right to freedom of speech doesn't mean that Channel 5 are just going to let this one be brushed under the carpet.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

My sister is gay,as are my two best friends,one male and one female,and I have had many conversations with them,and others,about their feelings! And being an intelligent being I can empathise with them,and understand their feelings!?!

and they all told you it was a choice they made?