[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Yes but you don't respect Jim's opinions and your saying he shouldn't win because of his views (not that any of us really know what his views are) he tells un PC jokes, big deal.

But I respect that you don't like him and you don't want him to win.

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

True enough, I've always judged HM's on how they are in the house, that way we can be fair and only judge on what we see and hear.

No one is perfect, no one in that house can claim to be perfect.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

..you're exactly right, Mock...we obviously know something about celebrities before they enter the house, which makes it different from the civilian BB and Jim's lifestyle has always been such to spark strong and negative opinion but it isn't the first time a celebrity like that has gone in and sometimes your opinion does change when they're in the house and interacting with others/talking about their lives etc...but for me, Jim has done nothing to show that he's 'changed'..he's hardly going to go in and say..'oh, I've hit women....', so yeah, I think he's trying to keep a low profile and kind of say what he thinks he should say etc but to me, that's not signs of a change in him...but yet other housemates have also had some controversy and that's often mentioned..maybe because they have discussed some of it in the house..?..and then it becomes 'relevant' ...I don't know but there are always different ways of looking at situations in the house and if you don't like someone, then you're going to see their actions as negative and if you do like them, then you're going to see a more positive slant...'there are many truths..'..and it's all down to what your perspective is....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

I try hard not to do that Mock, however sometimes there is such a great knowledge that it is hard to change an opinion held of a celebrity no matter how they are in the house.
Such as mine concerning the Nolan lot, I never liked Colleen before she went in,then couldn't find anything from her actions in the house to make me like her.
I tried hard with Linda and for a short time, she was acting as a good and interesting housemate and I thought I may have got her wrong.
Then her mask slipped and showed her spiteful real nasty side, the one I have seen all the time before and that was that with her for me too.

However, from the opinion I had of Frankie Cocoza before he went in, he,for me anyway, behaved really well in the house and he changed my opinion as to him.

I didn't care for Dappy when he went in, however he is winning me over now and I find him a good housemate,especially since he dumped the fake romance nonsense as to Jasmine.
I liked Jasmine but now cannot be bothered with her for her antics in the house with Lee in the main, not for anything she has done outside the house.

I didn't care for Luisa on the apprentice I admit and I find her someone who seems unable to think before she speaks in the house.
I find her offensive a fair bit of the time,again however I have judged her on what I have seen of her in the house.

Lee, I liked before he went in the house but I have rarely been sickened so much by someone's pathetic obsession with sex and playing people off against each other,so again from what he has done in the house, I have changed my view of him bigtime.

As to Jim, he is supposed to be this really awful man, incapable of any change or control as was seemingly shown on the kitchen programme he took part in.
Well, for me he has shown really good control in CBB and I can only judge him on what I am now seeing in the house.
He is, (and she was the one who started it first), being pushed by Linda who likely has her own nasty agenda as to him so much, I am amazed he is showing such control.
With her, I couldn't myself I doubt.

She has said on a few occasions she doen't like him,making sure others hear her say it too then pushing to make him look bad all she can, he doesn't take the bait but if he did,I think I would still think it was justified in her case.

Also, events can affect people, it can make them think and Jim has had a difficult thing going on for the last year or more with the allegations made against him which have now been dropped and no action taken.
That can affect a person too, maybe he has learned to hold back, control his anger and be more patient too.
He will never be a saint for sure but his actions in the house so far have presented nothing to suggest he is some monster.

No one can change their past but they can build their future given the chance.
Maybe Jim sees this as his chance to put a few things to bed from his past life.
I am prepared to afford him that benefit of the doubt now and still for me, how he hasn't really blown at Linda is a mystery to me, because she is desperately waiting for him to do that and then watch for the rotten filthy vile venom that will likely come from her mouth when and if he does crack under her pressure.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I try hard not to do that Mock, however sometimes there is such a great knowledge that it is hard to change an opinion held of a celebrity no matter how they are in the house.
Such as mine concerning the Nolan lot, I never liked Colleen before she went in,then couldn't find anything from her actions in the house to make me like her.
I tried hard with Linda and for a short time, she was acting as a good and interesting housemate and I thought I may have got her wrong.
Then her mask slipped and showed her spiteful real nasty side, the one I have seen all the time before and that was that with her for me too.

However, from the opinion I had of Frankie Cocoza before he went in, he,for me anyway, behaved really well in the house and he changed my opinion as to him.

I didn't care for Dappy when he went in, however he is winning me over now and I find him a good housemate,especially since he dumped the fake romance nonsense as to Jasmine.
I liked Jasmine but now cannot be bothered with her for her antics in the house with Lee in the main, not for anything she has done outside the house.

I didn't care for Luisa on the apprentice I admit and I find her someone who seems unable to think before she speaks in the house.
I find her offensive a fair bit of the time,again however I have judged her on what I have seen of her in the house.

Lee, I liked before he went in the house but I have rarely been sickened so much by someone's pathetic obsession with sex and playing people off against each other,so again from what he has done in the house, I have changed my view of him bigtime.

As to Jim, he is supposed to be this really awful man, incapable of any change or control as was seemingly shown on the kitchen programme he took part in.
Well, for me he has shown really good control in CBB and I can only judge him on what I am now seeing in the house.
He is, (and she was the one who started it first), being pushed by Linda who likely has her own nasty agenda as to him so much, I am amazed he is showing such control.
With her, I couldn't myself I doubt.

She has said on a few occasions she doen't like him,making sure others hear her say it too then pushing to make him look bad all she can, he doesn't take the bait but if he did,I think I would still think it was justified in her case.

Also, events can affect people, it can make them think and Jim has had a difficult thing going on for the last year or more with the allegations made against him which have now been dropped and no action taken.
That can affect a person too, maybe he has learned to hold back, control his anger and be more patient too.
He will never be a saint for sure but his actions in the house so far have presented nothing to suggest he is some monster.

No one can change their past but they can build their future given the chance.
Maybe Jim sees this as his chance to put a few things to bed from his past life.
I am prepared to afford him that benefit of the doubt now and still for me, how he hasn't really blown at Linda is a mystery to me, because she is desperately waiting for him to do that and then watch for the rotten filthy vile venom that will likely come from her mouth when and if he does crack under her pressure.

Joey,you said everything I wanted to,great post .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

I've not seen too many threads judging any of those on their lives outside the house

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I've not seen too many threads judging any of those on their lives outside the house

..I think what Mock means is all of the other discussions about various housemates...Luisa and her '5 lovers'..Dappy's 'online activities'..(I'm not sure what they are..)..Luisa's career/business and behaviour in the Apprentice..and stuff like that, there have been many discussion in different threads ..but as I said in my other post, I guess if it's mentioned at all in the house then it becomes 'fair game' as it were...I don't know, maybe Mock is talking about something else but that's how I took it...

..anyway, I have stuff to do this morning so I won't get into Jim Davidson talk otherwise I'll have to start using this......

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think what Mock means is all of the other discussions about various housemates...Luisa and her '5 lovers'..Dappy's 'online activities'..(I'm not sure what they are..)..Luisa's career/business and behaviour in the Apprentice..and stuff like that, there have been many discussion in different threads ..but as I said in my other post, I guess if it's mentioned at all in the house then it becomes 'fair game' as it were...I don't know, maybe Mock is talking about something else but that's how I took it...

..anyway, I have stuff to do this morning so I won't get into Jim Davidson talk otherwise I'll have to start using this......

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff

...yeah, I think if it's been discussed in the house, then it's obviously discussed more on forums etc...mind you, I would like Jim to talk about all of the wife beating stuff/open up etc because then I think it would help me see more, if I feel he is actually being genuine and might have tried to change etc..ok, I'll hush up now......(what did we ever do without that smiley..)...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff

It will be inevitable, even moreso if a celebrity doesn't like another that what has gone on in the past will be brought up.

For example, Linda on going in the house, going on about having Jim thrown out of a pub.
Once things are discussed or mentioned in the house then for me, it is justifiable to be responding to something done or said in the house by them as housemates.

Most and I would say near all, that has been discussed on here has been brought up in the house so that makes for analysis and opinion to be made as to same by all of us.

I do try myself to only judge them on what they do and say in the house,forming or changing my opinion of them from that time in the house as housemates,even if I haven't cared for them much before they went in.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It will be inevitable, even moreso if a celebrity doesn't like another that what has gone on in the past will be brought up.

For example, Linda on going in the house, going on about having Jim thrown out of a pub.
Once things are discussed or mentioned in the house then for me, it is justifiable to be responding to something done or said in the house by them as housemates.

Most and I would say near all, that has been discussed on here has been brought up in the house so that makes for analysis and opinion to be made as to same by all of us.

I do try myself to only judge them on what they do and say in the house,forming or changing my opinion of them from that time in the house as housemates,even if I haven't cared for them much before they went in.

..and so do I Joey, but hitting females is for me a no no and something that takes a little more 'forgiving' than most things and certainly anything to do with housemate's sexual activities because if they do themselves harm there, then it's only themselves that they harm..?...there are many housemates that I have changed my opinion on, some for the worse and some for the better and Ron Atkinson last time was a good example of that...but until I see something of Jim that I see as 'redeeming' then I have nothing to change my opinion about...

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

I genuinely couldn't tell you one thing about any of their personal lives!

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I genuinely couldn't tell you one thing about any of their personal lives!

Oh apart from Luisa likes to shag a lot

[Ammi]

..and Dappy apparently displayed some revealing pics on the internet and Luisa's manipulative behaviour in the Apprentice..and and LOL...anyway, I think that's what Mock means ...