[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I find the whole subject far too sensitive and really don't know why people bother getting so worked up about it, either side of the fence. I'm generally of the "innocent until proven guilty" camp but I'm not going to pretend my 'instincts' or 'my hunch' or 'how they seem' matters for even one darn second.

Thankfully evidence beats hunches/instincts unless its a tv series

[Kazanne]

Why wont they do a lie detector.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why wont they do a lie detector.

er because they dont work

[Shaun]

because this isn't jeremy kyle

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

If you're a lawyer, you'd understand that sometimes there are good reasons not to answer legitimate questions, without it being because of guilt. I think there are questions unanswered here, but if everything remains as it is, without any new evidence, I have no idea how people can possibly think they understand more than the Portuguese who were desperate to prosecute them.

If they were guilty and it could be proved, it would have saved the Portuguese legal system from a world of unnecessary hurt. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - and there isn't anything other than Chinese whispers on the internet.

In the interests of having your child potentially found, there is no reason why they would refuse to answer some of the more innocuous questions. Nothing at the moment can be either proven or disproved, if it were a case of clumsy child-stealing burglars, don't you think something else would have appeared to back the theory up? I have not found burglars to be the smartest people in disguising their tracks.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

In her holiday clothes?

Wouldn't have to be in her holiday clothes. Cafaver scent is easily transferred and absorbed, months and even years later.

Originally Posted by Jezzy

In the interests of having your child potentially found, there is no reason why they would refuse to answer some of the more innocuous questions.

In your legal opinion or as an interested observer? Unless you're representing them, I fail to see how you could possibly make that call. All legal systems have their own different minefields that need to be crossed. They had the finger pointed at them pretty quickly by the Portuguese - in those circumstances I'd be continually cagey too.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

they need to look again at Gerry and Kate McCann, something stinks and always has done. Burglars my arse.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Burglars is a cover for something nearer to home I think!

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think they're psychopathic killers like the examples given but I think it's possible that she died accidentally and they covered it up for some reason or another

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Read this ,its where all case facts are ,including witness statements,videos,take time to read GASPAR STATEMENTS you will see what behind this case ........ http://www.mccannfiles.com/

+1 on each of the above.

If you have the time and inclination, it is worth having a read of Gonçalo Amaral's book The Truth of the Lie (available in English, in PDF format, here) and, also, the list of 48 questions Kate McCann refused to answer, as published by the Daily Telegraph here.

It is quite possible they will lose their libel case against Amaral. From then on the media may declare open season on the McCanns, as the fear of further libel action will be much reduced.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why wont they do a lie detector.

Because they're only 98/99% accurate. Would you risk that when it came to be accused of murdering your child? I wouldn't. Plus even if they'd passed, the cyber detectives probably would have blamed that 2% innacuracy anyway..

Also.. I don't think lie detector results are admissible in court anyway, so what would have been the point?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

In your legal opinion or as an interested observer? Unless you're representing them, I fail to see how you could possibly make that call. All legal systems have their own different minefields that need to be crossed. They had the finger pointed at them pretty quickly by the Portuguese - in those circumstances I'd be continually cagey too.

As an interested observer, of course...with some added training in interpreting evidence and an interest in unsolved cases.

I cannot, obviously, state 100% what happened, nobody not involved can. I am just expressing my opinion that from what I have seen, there is much more that needs closer scrutiny.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Wouldn't have to be in her holiday clothes. Cafaver scent is easily transferred and absorbed, months and even years later.

Good video for you to watch regarding Maddies death scent found in hire car boot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WDrgGdI7dc

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

+1 on each of the above.

If you have the time and inclination, it is worth having a read of Gonçalo Amaral's book The Truth of the Lie (available in English, in PDF format, here) and, also, the list of 48 questions Kate McCann refused to answer, as published by the Daily Telegraph here.

It is quite possible they will lose their libel case against Amaral. From then on the media may declare open season on the McCanns, as the fear of further libel action will be much reduced.

Good post CH. It will be very interesting when the "libel" case actually gets off the ground, without the perpetual delaying tactics.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Good video for you to watch regarding Maddies death scent found in hire car boot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WDrgGdI7dc

Wasn't the car hired well after Madeleine disappeared?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

+1 on each of the above.

If you have the time and inclination, it is worth having a read of Gonçalo Amaral's book The Truth of the Lie (available in English, in PDF format, here) and, also, the list of 48 questions Kate McCann refused to answer, as published by the Daily Telegraph here.

It is quite possible they will lose their libel case against Amaral. From then on the media may declare open season on the McCanns, as the fear of further libel action will be much reduced.

Ive read the book and seen the docu attached to the book, McCanns WILL lose the case, to date they have never won a single case with Amaral, he speaks the truth ,they try to hide it

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Wasn't the car hired well after Madeleine disappeared?

Yes ,please watch it, its only a couple of minutes long

[Vicky.]

Completely ignoring the question of if they had more to do with he disappearance than they would have us believe..I actually cant believe that someone is trying to argue that there was no neglect in this case and that it is totally normal to leave young children unsupervised to go out and enjoy yourself.

Please tell me all those who think they are innocent dont also believe that they are totally blameless in this and that leaving the kids alone was perfectly fine? I have actually never seen someone trying to say they werent even negligent until today.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Good post CH. It will be very interesting when the "libel" case actually gets off the ground, without the perpetual delaying tactics.

It was postponed on the 7th due to Amaral putting in an appeal to know how McCanns can sue on Maddie behalfs when Maddie is a ward of court, they have no legal rights over her now, the courts have

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It was postponed on the 7th due to Amaral putting in an appeal to know how McCanns can sue on Maddie behalfs when Maddie is a ward of court, they have no legal rights over her now, the courts have

Good for him. As chief investigator, why would he let himself be entirely ruined (which he has been) if he were not absolutely sure of the truth?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Completely ignoring the question of if they had more to do with he disappearance than they would have us believe..I actually cant believe that someone is trying to argue that there was no neglect in this case and that it is totally normal to leave young children unsupervised to go out and enjoy yourself.

Please tell me all those who think they are innocent dont also believe that they are totally blameless in this and that leaving the kids alone was perfectly fine? I have actually never seen someone trying to say they werent even negligent until today.

I haven't either Vicky, I'm frankly shocked that anyone would think there was no neglect, especially when a creche was available for 10 euros.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes ,please watch it, its only a couple of minutes long

+1

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes ,please watch it, its only a couple of minutes long

I will.. But if the car was hired weeks after she disappeared, where could they possibly have stored her corpse, bearing in mind they were in strange surroundings and it was very warm?

[Jezzy]

Would you be more likely to react "She's been taken" or, "Oh my God, where is she?" Upon discovering your child was not in the apartment?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Good for him. As chief investigator, why would he let himself be entirely ruined (which he has been) if he were not absolutely sure of the truth?

He has the whole police facts behind him, they only have lies and cover up

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I will.. But if the car was hired weeks after she disappeared, where could they possibly have stored her corpse, bearing in mind they were in strange surroundings and it was very warm?

The evidence shows her body had been refridgerated ,it shows up in the fluids they found in the boot

[Z]

I change my mind about this case every time it gets rehashed in the media. This sounds like yet another non-story and it's completely in line with the McCanns' bizarre attitude to their daughter's disappearance. If the police force are about to arrest people in connection with her disappearance, why is the media reporting on it before it happens? Is that not going to cause any guilty parties to do a runner?

I find their behaviour unsettlingly calm and composed, but just because they aren't responding hysterically doesn't mean they're guilty of anything. There was a program on TV I watched recently about body language and how we're better understanding it and how it is used in criminal investigations - there was analysis of the Soham murders, the guy who killed Tia Sharp, that man Mitchell Quy who killed his wife, the McCanns... They don't act like the typical bereaved parents and I think, if nothing else, the fact they neglected their children that night (and maybe other nights) and didn't even seem particularly devastated by the most horrible consequences imaginable just says it all to me... they're unfit parents. I really believe that if they weren't doctors they'd have had their other kids taken off them for such gross negligence. Who leaves their three babies alone in an unlocked apartment that they can't even see from where they are dining? There were creche facilities, they could have taken the kids with them, they could have not gone out for dinner that night... but on this forum we've gone over this case with a fine comb so many times.

On the assumption that they aren't guilty of anything other than leaving their kids alone; I hope that the police make some arrests and manage to advance the case somehow. I don't think they'll get anything out of it though - if Madeleine is still alive now, I'd imagine she'll be killed if the police are getting anywhere near to catching whoever has her. Who's going to let her live? It's obvious that if she was abducted and trafficked, she's not exactly going to be living well - I don't even want to think about the kinds of horrors that little girl has been subjected to over the years, whoever the McCanns are expecting to rescue, it's not going to be their innocent little 3 year old girl who comes back. Sometimes, though, there is a happy ending... maybe in ten years she'll escape and be rescued...