[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

What do you mean by leave them alone?

Would you go to the end of your garden on a summer night if they were asleep?

Thats totally different...

They were a 5 min walk from the apartment. And couldnt actually see the place clearly from where they were.

A better comparison would be would you leave all your doors open while your young kids were asleep, and nip to the pub 5 mins down the road for a quick one.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Kaz, do you have a link? I haven't read anything about the fridge yet, but I would be interested.

I will see if I can find it Jezzy

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

So, you agree that they were smelling death?

The cadaver dog alerted to a scent, but without forensic evidence (of which there was none) to back up the dogs reaction, they prove nothing.

And of course, there's the very important fact that Kate regularly came into contact with dead bodies as part if her job.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Education has standards in place as a guide to gauge the truth/voracity/ability to explain complex ideas etc. You screaming "they did it" doesn't meet any of those requirements - especially in law.

Yes, and I *am* a lawyer, and I still think there is too much that doesn't add up. I'm a trained cynic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats totally different...

They were a 5 min walk from the apartment. And couldnt actually see the place clearly from where they were.

A better comparison would be would you leave all your doors open while your young kids were asleep, and nip to the pub 5 mins down the road for a quick one.

the distance was 150 feet

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

negligent in your eyes. have you brought up children yet?

as have I and I would never ever leave my kids alone. My 9 year old son wakes up in the middle of the night sometimes and he would be terrified if he couldn't find me or my husband or a responsible adult

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

And of course, there's the very important fact that Kate regularly came into contact with dead bodies as part if her job.

In her holiday clothes?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Where did they hide the body?

Look at the files on the link I gave you, Maddies death scent was found in wardrobe,bottom of steps where IMO Gerry placed her when he was nearly caught out moving Maddies body from 5A by Jez Wilkins, Kates clothing, hire car

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

the distance was 150 feet

Vicky is quite right though in respect of the fact they could NOT clearly see the apartment.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

the distance was 150 feet

Closer to 400 actually. To actually walk to the apartment.

Unless they could walk on water (directly over the pool), which wouldnt surprise me.

[Kazanne]

Jezzy I have found this one but its not the one I read I will look for that one aswell
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.n...443-the-fridge

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

The cadaver dog alerted to a scent, but without forensic evidence (of which there was none) to back up the dogs reaction, they prove nothing.

And of course, there's the very important fact that Kate regularly came into contact with dead bodies as part if her job.

Kate was on part time when they went on holiday ,but according to her mother, she had declared 6 (SIX)people dead in the last few days before going on holiday ,thats a better record than Harold Shipman !!

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jezzy I have found this one but its not the one I read I will look for that one aswell
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.n...443-the-fridge

Thanks lovely, I will have a read.

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Yes, and I *am* a lawyer, and I still think there is too much that doesn't add up. I'm a trained cynic.

The fact that you're a lawyer has no bearing on me, nor gives your opinion any additional weight on this subject, and there is no valid reason to think that it would.

I *am* a tea boy, and I still don't think there is any evidence that implies or proves their guilt.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Closer to 400 actually. To actually walk to the apartment.

Unless they could walk on water (directly over the pool), which wouldnt surprise me.

Added to a wall and bushes which completely blocked the view

[Kazanne]

And here's another interesting read
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/p...E_29_09_07.htm

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

The fact that you're a lawyer has no bearing on me, nor gives your opinion any additional weight on this subject, and there is no valid reason to think that it would.

I *am* a tea boy, and I still don't think there is any evidence that implies or proves their guilt.

But maybe you will agree that there are many unanswered questions remaining, some of which the McCanns refuse point blank to answer.

[MTVN]

Anyone getting a strange feeling of deja vu

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Yes, and I *am* a lawyer, and I still think there is too much that doesn't add up. I'm a trained cynic.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...3043105AAUCrzy fridge

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Anyone getting a strange feeling of deja vu

Hehe..it's *always* going to be a bone of contention / popular topic to debate...it's one of the great modern mysteries...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

as have I and I would never ever leave my kids alone. My 9 year old son wakes up in the middle of the night sometimes and he would be terrified if he couldn't find me or my husband or a responsible adult

Yes and other parents are not you and would think nothing of popping to a neighbour whilst their kids slept. The Mccanns were 30 seconds away and checked regularly, for them that was ok and had it not been for a premeditated psycho.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Yes and other parents are not you and would think nothing of popping to a neighbour whilst their kids slept. The Mccanns were 30 seconds away and checked regularly, for them that was ok and had it not been for a premeditated psycho.

and what if there was a fire? or if one of them got up and had an accident? Most people would think about those kind of things

[Shaun]

I find the whole subject far too sensitive and really don't know why people bother getting so worked up about it, either side of the fence. I'm generally of the "innocent until proven guilty" camp but I'm not going to pretend my 'instincts' or 'my hunch' or 'how they seem' matters for even one darn second.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact that most of the bog standard conspiracy theorists fail to grasp is that if it had not been that night it most likely would have been in the days after. A committed paedophile will steal a child.

Originally Posted by Jezzy

But maybe you will agree that there are many unanswered questions remaining, some of which the McCanns refuse point blank to answer.

If you're a lawyer, you'd understand that sometimes there are good reasons not to answer legitimate questions, without it being because of guilt. I think there are questions unanswered here, but if everything remains as it is, without any new evidence, I have no idea how people can possibly think they understand more than the Portuguese who were desperate to prosecute them.

If they were guilty and it could be proved, it would have saved the Portuguese legal system from a world of unnecessary hurt. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - and there isn't anything other than Chinese whispers on the internet.