[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

if some choose not to accept that as it doesn't fit with their blinkered perception then watchagondo?

When did Hulk Hogan join the forum?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It was neither biased nor anti Jim it was FACTS,FACTS that been pointed out over and over on here for 3 weeks, he IS a liar, he IS a fake ,hes used Linda,Luisa to gain camera time ,and brownie points by turning himself into the poor victim,(just as he did when he beat his wife to a pulp)all proven by experts in the fields ,if they had said he was everything wonderful his fans would have jumped on it and claimed it as law, but because neither of the experts had a single good word to say about him they are wrong ? I dont think so

What 'facts'? How is he a 'liar'??

Linda is the liar, she told Lee her husband didn't steal any money, when the tealeaf was caught on camera!

And Jim didn't start on Linda, it was her who had a problem with HIM from day 1. She was the one who jumped on everything he said & turned everything into an argument (even him cooking her dinner!) So I don't see how you came to the conclusion that HE used Linda & Luisa to get airtime?? When Luisa was simply Linda's trained dog, who she used to bite on command!

And do you seriously think those psychologists can carry out an adequate prognosis on someone from watching a bit of them on TV?!? Even the most highly respected psychologists in the world would not be able to pin point someone's character without many sessions on a one to one level

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It was neither biased nor anti Jim it was FACTS,FACTS that been pointed out over and over on here for 3 weeks, he IS a liar, he IS a fake ,hes used Linda,Luisa to gain camera time ,and brownie points by turning himself into the poor victim,(just as he did when he beat his wife to a pulp)all proven by experts in the fields ,if they had said he was everything wonderful his fans would have jumped on it and claimed it as law, but because neither of the experts had a single good word to say about him they are wrong ? I dont think so

So it's a 'FACT' that people with narrow eyes are all liars then? ?

Dosen't matter if they said that about Jim, Linda or anyone. It's not a FACT it's ridiculous. Especially coming from a psych 'expert'.

ps - using capitals just makes your argument look more desperate to be true - it doesn't make it actually more true

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'We' the forum... unless the rest of the forum believe you naturally...LMFAO
Anyhoo, it remains that the people asked in their professional capacity to give an opinion did so, if some choose not to accept that as it doesn't fit with their blinkered perception then whatchagondo?

One could argue that it is the ones who have such irrational hatred for Jim that are watching the show 'blinkered'

[chuff me dizzy]

I understand what they said was a bitter pill for some to swallow,and egg on face is never a good look. even though some had told you for a long while that he was poison ,liar,fake,user, lift your bottoms lips up, learn from it, and next series be more careful of who you turn into a demi-God ,make sure they are worthy next time

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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I expect bias from BOTS now, standard procedure for the show I pay it no heed. No matter if you like them or not we need Jim or Luisa to win to set down the marker for BB15, if we get a coaster like Ollie or Sam winning such a great series it will be

Totally agree. The bias is so obvious it cant be taken too seriously IMO. I just watch BOTs to see some exclusive footage as I find everything else about the show struggles to stay neutral.. Even in last nights show Ian Lee had to make a point of stating he had enjoyed Jim in the house as the anti Jim feeling was so strong with load of cheering and whooping with every anti Jim statement. I often wonder; what species are the BOTs audience?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

One could argue that it is the ones who have such irrational hatred for Jim that are watching the show 'blinkered'

True.

One things for sure - for the past 3 weeks - there is alot more knee-jerk, blinkered prejudice coming towards Jim than there is coming from Jim.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

So it's a 'FACT' that people with narrow eyes are all liars then? ?

Dosen't matter if they said that about Jim, Linda or anyone. It's not a FACT it's ridiculous. Especially coming from a psych 'expert'.

ps - using capitals just makes your argument look more desperate to be true - it doesn't make it actually more true

Right answer this truthfully ,IF they both had said jim was NOT playing a game, using others to make himself look the poor victim would you have believed it ?

[Robodog]

I believe only what i see, not what others tell me to believe. Whether i agree with them or not.

If they had said his narrow eyes and stiff arms meant he was an honest person i would have found it equally as ridiculous as them using it to say he was a liar.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Right answer this truthfully ,IF they both had said jim was NOT playing a game, using others to make himself look the poor victim would you have believed it ?

Theres no doubt about it Jim is playing a game. He clearly good at arguing he seems to walk away at the right time and then he very skillfully keeps the argument going by getting people on his side. Usually the boys. He very good at it but I dont think that make him vile or anything else that I've seen him called on here and on BOTS. He's the best player in the game this series and had played it beautifully. It would have been nice if someone on BOTs had said something along those lines instead of the constant sniping.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Theres no doubt about it Jim is playing a game. He clearly good at arguing he seems to walk away at the right time and then he very skillfully keeps the argument going by getting people on his side. Usually the boys. He very good at it but I dont think that make him vile or anything else that I've seen him called on here and on BOTS. He's the best player in the game this series and had played it beautifully. It would have been nice if someone on BOTs had said something along those lines instead of the constant sniping.

I think hes played it in a foul dirty way ,attacking a dead man ? no ,hes been sussed ,he wasnt as clever as he thought he was

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I think hes played it in a foul dirty way ,attacking a dead man ? no ,hes been sussed ,he wasnt as clever as he thought he was

Thats the only time he didn't stop himself from saying something inappropriate but he's covered over it well by claiming it was Linda who bought it up on opening night. He's played a great game. Whether you think it was dirty or not I would think that someone on BOTS should acknowledge how he's so skillfully managed to get so much public support.

[Kazanne]

I don't care what people say,I like Jim,always have done,and no amount of slander,hearsay and rumours will make me change my mind,and Linda Nolan the swinger has nothing to crow about,so Jim to win

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'We' the forum... unless the rest of the forum believe you naturally...LMFAO
Anyhoo, it remains that the people asked in their professional capacity to give an opinion did so, if some choose not to accept that as it doesn't fit with their blinkered perception then whatchagondo?

You think you are the mouthpiece for the forum now? That's half sad and half hilarious.

Why shouldn't the rest of the forum believe an anecdote of mine? Are you saying I'm lying? Why would I bother? Lots of people tell stories and anecdotes to illustrate their point, but you only have to have it corroborated when it's me. Still grinding that tired old axe, Kizzy.

I do not have a blinkered perception, in fact it's more a case or your own perception being blinkered in this case. You choose to accept the "professional" opinion because it happened to fit in with your own view of Jim, and you'll that argue to the point of boredom. If they had been singing Jim's praises and rubbishing some favourite of yours, your opinion would change accordingly. Personally, I find the psychologists equally as inept whoever it is they're summing up.

[fleabee]

Hi, I'm new
I love Jim, he's just like any man on the street. he's not full of crap, unlike that horrible Linda.
Hope he wins or comes 2nd

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by fleabee

Hi, I'm new
I love Jim, he's just like any man on the street. he's not full of crap, unlike that horrible Linda.
Hope he wins or comes 2nd

Hello! Welcome to the forum! I love Dappy and Jim!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by fleabee

Hi, I'm new
I love Jim, he's just like any man on the street. he's not full of crap, unlike that horrible Linda.
Hope he wins or comes 2nd

hello fleabee welcome to Tibb,I like Jim too

[Livia]

Originally Posted by fleabee

Hi, I'm new
I love Jim, he's just like any man on the street. he's not full of crap, unlike that horrible Linda.
Hope he wins or comes 2nd

Hello Fleabee, welcome to the forum.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Thats the only time he didn't stop himself from saying something inappropriate but he's covered over it well by claiming it was Linda who bought it up on opening night. He's played a great game. Whether you think it was dirty or not I would think that someone on BOTS should acknowledge how he's so skillfully managed to get so much public support.

Any support hes got is under false circumstances, but I noticed Friday night he didnt get the amount of cheers hes got before ,I still think hes won it ,but should he have done ?No ,he won it by being evil to people,using people and being a fake ,his lapdog Dappy has done the same thing ,hes another one who thinks the public are as thick as dog do,s ,and dont know the real him ,they forget we all have google at our fingertips, This is why I would not be gutted if Luisa wins, shes been 100% honest (too much so some times, esp with her sex stories) but I love honesty ,and people should be applauded for being honest

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't care what people say,I like Jim,always have done,and no amount of slander,hearsay and rumours will make me change my mind,and Linda Nolan the swinger has nothing to crow about,so Jim to win

Agree

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You think you are the mouthpiece for the forum now? That's half sad and half hilarious.

Why shouldn't the rest of the forum believe an anecdote of mine? Are you saying I'm lying? Why would I bother? Lots of people tell stories and anecdotes to illustrate their point, but you only have to have it corroborated when it's me. Still grinding that tired old axe, Kizzy.

I do not have a blinkered perception, in fact it's more a case or your own perception being blinkered in this case. You choose to accept the "professional" opinion because it happened to fit in with your own view of Jim, and you'll that argue to the point of boredom. If they had been singing Jim's praises and rubbishing some favourite of yours, your opinion would change accordingly. Personally, I find the psychologists equally as inept whoever it is they're summing up.

I think youve read Kizzy wrong ,I doubt very much she was making out she spoke for the entire forum ,shes not that arrogant

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Any support hes got is under false circumstances, but I noticed Friday night he didnt get the amount of cheers hes got before ,I still think hes won it ,but should he have done ?No ,he won it by being evil to people,using people and being a fake ,his lapdog Dappy has done the same thing ,hes another one who thinks the public are as thick as dog do,s ,and dont know the real him ,they forget we all have google at our fingertips, This is why I would not be gutted if Luisa wins, shes been 100% honest (too much so some times, esp with her sex stories) but I love honesty ,and people should be applauded for being honest

OK if you think so but I can only think of the Frank Carson comment that showed any kind of intent from Jim If you have other examples please share so I dont get where he has been 'evil'. Also you like Luisa and you want her to win and you like the psych slagging off Jim but the psych also said Jim and Luisa are very similar. You might want to think about that.

[fleabee]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hello Fleabee, welcome to the forum.

Hi and thank you

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right as usual, joey.

The trouble with psychology is that it isn't an exact science. I drag this story out almost every BB but it's valid here. I once shared an office with a doctor of psychology who was lecturing. I joked, oh no... you're not going to be psychoanalysing me, are you? He told me, the trouble with psychology is, just when you've used all your skills to work someone out and stick them in a pigeon hole, they do something completely out of character and blow your well-educated theory out of the water. It's true of all psychologists, and particularly true of those on TV last night making dangerous, litigious and frankly actionable allegations about Jim's character without ever having met the man. Surely a psychological summing up of someone based on stuff they've read and a few hours of video is shaky at best, and quackery at worst.

Thank you Livia.

I totally agree with every word of your post above, sometimes these people on the wrong outlet can do more harm than good.

I also have to say I think 'quackery' is a brilliant way of describing those individuals especially on Bit on the Psych last night.

[dwarling]

Originally Posted by fleabee

Hi, I'm new
I love Jim, he's just like any man on the street. he's not full of crap, unlike that horrible Linda.
Hope he wins or comes 2nd

Hi good to have you here...I also really like Jim,..and Dappy too'..
they are really good together..
I hope Jim wins it and that Dappy is second,..and at the moment, that Luisa comes third.