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Originally Posted by Cherie

I never said he wasn't! Liz said on at least two occasions after leaving the house that men should never speak to women in a certain way and Luisa also admitted that no man had ever spoken to her like Jim had and she didn't think it was right that he should, those two have a very skewed view of equality. I don't see the big deal about Jim being sexist at least he is honest about it

As far as I remember, Luisa was commenting on Jim's nasty campaign criticising her appearance. No man should fight a battle by bringing a woman's appearance into the argument, so I agree with her. (Neither is it acceptable in the opposite direction, of course, but it seldom happens, because men are seldom judged solely by their looks). All Luisa's comments about Jim were appropriate, because they were accurate comments about his behaviour.

Liz, in her appraisal of Jim, criticised Jim for mainly showing an interest in the younger, attractive women, thus implying that he sees women as sex objects when they are young, and dismisses them when they are older. Liz wasn't asked for an example of what she meant when she said that no man should speak to a woman "like that". It's possible that Liz was referring to the comments which Jim was making beforehand, which eventually resulted in Linda losing her rag. Sam said Jim made nasty comments when the cameras weren't on; Rylan said that the rows we saw were preceded by numerous comments Jim would make to wind Linda up, but they weren't shown because it didn't make exciting viewing. In the sitting on the fence task, Sam and Ollie both acknowledged that Jim triggered most of the arguments by constantly winding Linda up. We don't therefore know what Liz thought was a problem. Liz wouldn't realise we hadn't seen the build-up to each incident, hence she didn't elucidate.

I personally think there's nothing wrong with telling a woman to "grow up or "f... off", but it's disrespectful for a man to make constant reference to a woman's body parts ("knockers", "tits" etc.), unless in the context of reciprocal banter, so in that respect I agree that there are some things a man shouldn't say to a women. It's demeaning, humiliating and offensive.