[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I hate to say it...but reading your post above a few times I can't help wonder if you are actually proving this guy's point.

Your post comes over as slightly angry ...why ?? one might almost say very slightly homophobic...illustrating the very point Panti Bliss was trying to make...!!!!

fair enough thats your opinion. I think this type of speech creates more division. theres some nice moments but hes basically claling everyone homophobic and is quite bitter. im far more inspired by a nice peaceful person who goes about their life with a smile on their fcae despite the endless bigotry and discrimination that so many groups face, not just drag artists, gay people, trangender people. but different ethnicities, cultures, disablities, capabilities, the mentally ill, the sick and needy, the poor. we dont hear enough fronm these people and we seem to have heard this speech here 1001 times. Its nothing new or original.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

fair enough thats your opinion. I think this type of speech creates more division. theres some nice moments but hes basically claling everyone homophobic and is quite bitter. im far more inspired by a nice peaceful person who goes about their life with a smile on their fcae despite the endless bigotry and discrimination that so many groups face, not just drag artists, gay people, trangender people. but different ethnicities, cultures, disablities, capabilities, the mentally ill, the sick and needy, the poor. we dont hear enough fronm these people and we seem to have heard this speech here 1001 times. Its nothing new or original.

I don't really think you paid much attention to the speech at all because you've completely missed the point.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't really think you paid much attention to the speech at all because you've completely missed the point.

I got the point, trust me its rammed down everyones throats ever day..
you clearly dont get mine

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

I got the point, trust me its rammed down everyones throats ever day..
you clearly dont get mine

Because your point of view is rarely worth considering and no, you didn't understand the point of the speech because you're so fixated on the part when he called everyone homophobes and not the part later when he explained that it applies to gay people as well because they were raised to think like that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because your point of view is rarely worth considering and no, you didn't understand the point of the speech because you're so fixated on the part when he called everyone homophobes and not the part later when he explained that it applies to gay people as well because they were raised to think like that.

trust me I did understand every word. You dont understand where Im coming from at all you need to open your mind to the fact there are billions of people in worse situations who suffer infinitely worse discrimination than a drag queen at a crossing or a gay person in ireland. this man and those who follow him need to get a greater perspective of life and drop some of the self pitying mentality. gay people and drag artists have more rights in ireland than many other oppressed people have in most countries in the world.

[Z]

Originally Posted by the truth

trust me I did understand every word. You dont understand where Im coming from at all you need to open your mind to the fact there are billions of people in worse situations who suffer infinitely worse discrimination than a drag queen at a crossing or a gay person in ireland. this man and those who follow him need to get a greater perspective of life and drop some of the self pitying mentality. gay people and drag artists have more rights in ireland than many other oppressed people have in most countries in the world.

Oh I really hate that view of "put everything into perspective", it's such a ridiculous way of shutting other people's views and feelings out. I think it was a brilliant speech that eloquently put across exactly what homophobia is and gives a fair and balanced explanation of how it affects us all because we're brought up in a society that condones homophobia on so many levels. I think Panti Bliss is brave and the world needs brave people with brains in order to make changes happen.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Zee

Oh I really hate that view of "put everything into perspective", it's such a ridiculous way of shutting other people's views and feelings out. I think it was a brilliant speech that eloquently put across exactly what homophobia is and gives a fair and balanced explanation of how it affects us all because we're brought up in a society that condones homophobia on so many levels. I think Panti Bliss is brave and the world needs brave people with brains in order to make changes happen.

to call everyone in the audience is reverse bigotry, even if the intention was good. he is pigeon holing everyone, when is preaching not to pigeon hole people. total hypocrisy and self pity. meanwhile 25000 people died of undaignosed blood clots due to negligent nursing in the UK in 2012. yet no one says a word and it barely makes news, clearly the death of 25000 innocents is more imposrtant than the fragile ego of a cross dresser at traffic lights. pretty much sums up the basket case that the Uk has become

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

trust me I did understand every word. You dont understand where Im coming from at all you need to open your mind to the fact there are billions of people in worse situations who suffer infinitely worse discrimination than a drag queen at a crossing or a gay person in ireland. this man and those who follow him need to get a greater perspective of life and drop some of the self pitying mentality. gay people and drag artists have more rights in ireland than many other oppressed people have in most countries in the world.

You shouldn't use the excuse of 'oh suck it up, other places have it worse' to not do anything about it, discrimination and oppression of a drag queen at a crossing is still discrimination and oppression. We can't personally change the situations that arise in Russia or the Middle East or Africa but we can change things in our own country.

You are exactly the kind of person he was talking about.

[Ammi]

..I listened to this the other day..his speech was really powerful and I found it quite emotional when he talked about standing at the pedestrian crossing and how he felt that he somehow had to change himself to not 'stand out' when he had spent his life struggling to be himself and then was abused for being himself and he's right, because how oppressive it must feel (no matter how well meaning..) to have people constantly talking about what rights you should be allowed just because of your sexuality because those rights are rights as a human being and should be the same as every other human being..a really inspirational guy and a very powerful and emotional speech...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You shouldn't use the excuse of 'oh suck it up, other places have it worse' to not do anything about it, discrimination and oppression of a drag queen at a crossing is still discrimination and oppression. We can't personally change the situations that arise in Russia or the Middle East or Africa but we can change things in our own country.

You are exactly the kind of person he was talking about.

ps youve been reported for making a personal attack

yes we should change and stop people like this call other people he doesnt know homophobes, that is blatant discrimination which we must fight. meanwhile lets concentrate less on this self pity and more on the 10000s of people who are really abused in hospitals, care homes across this nation ...leading to death not mere hurt feelings at traffic lights....lets not forget too the people with far far far far greater srtuggles than this chap at traffic lights, the sick, the sying, the severerely physically and mentally disabled, the old and sick dying from the freeze and the abused ignored and abandoned in some nhs wards. lets prioritise eh?