The peoples manager.

[MTVN]

I'd say having the blame placed on the players is the easy way out for the manager, even if they are playing terrible and well below their ability then surely that is again the manager's responsibility to motivate them and bring the best out of them. Man-management is a big part of being a manager

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

That is just such crap

Your telling me that the likes of Vidic, Evra, Van Persie and others are putting in 100% for the club and are playing to their full potential every week? and the reason has nothing to do with the players, the reason is Moyes tactics?
The only person I saw yesterday that played like he wanted to win was Rooney.

If getting in the top 4 comes down to who the manager is, then Moyes took an Everton team into the top 4, so obviously he's a manager that fits your criteria.

Blaming the manager is the easy way out, taking the shortcut, cutting corners, turning a blind eye to the real problems.

In the words of Sir Alex Ferguson, "These players are cheating their manager"

RVP looks disinterested. No wonder. That relationship seemingly broke down a long time ago. Every player has suddenly stagnated. I wonder why that is. Players who have won Premier League titles and the Champions League managed by a man who's achieved nothing in comparison.

The players have a role to play, but it's mainly Moyes. Outdated formation, expecting Kagawa and Mata to be wingers, crap tactics, crap football, spouting BS in interviews and filling nobody with any confidence. To him it's everything but his tactics to blame.

At Stoke, every time the camera went on Moyes he was just sat in his seat moaning. Excellent way to turn things around. And against Chelsea sat with his arms folded. Yet Fletcher was up out of his seat for what must of been a questionable decision whilst Dithering Dave sat and just looked on. What a manager!

Sums it up when Everton fans were pleased that he left. How can you defend this man any longer? I hated the appointment from the start, you defended him. Can you really defend him any longer?

From Champions to 7th. The players aren't inspired whatsoever. Why would they be when they're deemed not good enough by their own manager?

Rival fans laughed when he got the job. I wonder why...

[Ryan57]

Oh yes, and the players are mentally soft. PMSL. Best pile of crap he's spouted yet. Players who have won medals mentally soft?

A terrible workman blames his tools, rather than himself

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'd say having the blame placed on the players is the easy way out for the manager, even if they are playing terrible and well below their ability then surely that is again the manager's responsibility to motivate them and bring the best out of them. Man-management is a big part of being a manager

And Moyes has a successful proven record at man-management, season after season at Everton he got the best out of average players and made them a competitive side at the top end of the table.

Under his management the likes of Lescott and Jagielka went from championship players in to England internationals, Leighton Baines was an average Joe kicking is heels at Wigan and under the tutorship of Moyes he's now one of the best left backs in the World.

You'll never tell me Moyes isn't a top drawer manager because he managed my team for 11 years and I know that he's the real deal.

He wont get sacked because the powers that be at Old Trafford know the truth and wont listen to fickle fans that talk a good game but have no real football credentials to back it up.

[King Gizzard]

Mourinho/managers of that ilk could walk into United and have them winning the league with the team they have now, which basically sums up Moyes and his rebuilding excuse

Moyes was dull at Everton and he's dull at United

[King Gizzard]

and Everton players were paid handsomely so it's not all down to Moyes, the Everton being skint thing was always a myth

[Alf]

Man Utd were 1-0 down at HT and after the break they came out and got themselves in front and in a position to win the game, was it Moyes who lost concentration and switched off in the last minute? or was it the players?

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

And Moyes has a successful proven record at man-management, season after season at Everton he got the best out of average players and made them a competitive side at the top end of the table.

Under his management the likes of Lescott and Jagielka went from championship players in to England internationals, Leighton Baines was an average Joe kicking is heels at Wigan and under the tutorship of Moyes he's now one of the best left backs in the World.

You'll never tell me Moyes isn't a top drawer manager because he managed my team for 11 years and I know that he's the real deal.

He wont get sacked because the powers that be at Old Trafford know the truth and wont listen to fickle fans that talk a good game but have no real football credentials to back it up.

Top drawer? Deary me. If he's top drawer what does that make the likes of Guardiola?

The reason he still has a job is due to Fergie's stubbornness. Only took him eight years to admit selling Jaap Stam was a mistake.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Man Utd were 1-0 down at HT and after the break they came out and got themselfs in front and in a position to win the game, was it Moyes who lost concentration and switched off in the last minute? or was it the players?

You'd of thought if there's one thing Dave was able to do that was make us solid defensively. Instead, he's made us disastrous.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

You'd of thought if there's one thing Dave was able to do that was make us solid defensively. Instead, he's made us disastrous.

He'll sort that out in time, give the guy a break and judge him when he gets his team built.

Originally Posted by wannashag

And Moyes has a successful proven record at man-management, season after season at Everton he got the best out of average players and made them a competitive side at the top end of the table.

Under his management the likes of Lescott and Jagielka went from championship players in to England internationals, Leighton Baines was an average Joe kicking is heels at Wigan and under the tutorship of Moyes he's now one of the best left backs in the World.

You'll never tell me Moyes isn't a top drawer manager because he managed my team for 11 years and I know that he's the real deal.

He wont get sacked because the powers that be at Old Trafford know the truth and wont listen to fickle fans that talk a good game but have no real football credentials to back it up.

Jagielka was the stand out player when Sheffield United were in the PL. Credit for Lescott, though. Baines was on lots of peoples radars. We had an interest in him (as did a few others), so he was a left back with potential. A good signing, but not great development.

I agree he won't get sacked - because their directors don't believe in that route of action so early (and I genuinely applaud them for that), not because he is the real deal.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

He'll sort that out in time, give the guy a break and judge him when he gets his team built.

Pays Ł28 million for Marouane Fellaini. Pays a club record Ł37 million for Juan Mata, to put him on the wing. I'd rather he not build a team.

Originally Posted by wannashag

Man Utd were 1-0 down at HT and after the break they came out and got themselves in front and in a position to win the game, was it Moyes who lost concentration and switched off in the last minute? or was it the players?

I do sort of agree with this point. Moyes was the manager in the dressing room at half time, and they went from 1 down, to 2-1 up.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Pays Ł28 million for Marouane Fellaini. Pays a club record Ł37 million for Juan Mata, to put him on the wing. I'd rather he not build a team.

Fellaini hadn't even got settled in before he got injured (that's not Moyes fault)

It's not Moyes fault that Carrick isn't a midfield boss who can take a game by the scruff of the neck like a Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard, Yaya Toure, Patrick Vierra, Paul Scholes, cesc Fabragas and Frank Lampard can and could.

If United win the Champions League (which is not likely, but not impossible) will you still want him out? I ask that because from the day Moyes was announced as your manager you were negative about it.

[Black Dagger]

People not standing by their manager, you don't see me slagging off Manuel

[Black Dagger]

-not that there is really any reason to slag off Manuel pmsl-

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Fellaini hadn't even got settled in before he got injured (that's not Moyes fault)

It's not Moyes fault that Carrick isn't a midfield boss who can take a game by the scruff of the neck like a Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard, Yaya Toure, Patrick Vierra, Paul Scholes, cesc Fabragas and Frank Lampard can and could.

If United win the Champions League (which is not likely, but not impossible) will you still want him out? I ask that because from the day Moyes was announced as your manager you were negative about it.

I'm more on about the fact we paid Ł28 million for a player that will only ever be good enough to be a squad player. If Moyes wanted a midfield boss he should of stumped up the extra for De Rossi instead of signing Fellaini.

If he wins the Champions League, no I wouldn't want him out. I hated his appointment, however I'd love to be proven wrong. I will happily say I was wrong if he becomes a success.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I'm more on about the fact we paid Ł28 million for a player that will only ever be good enough to be a squad player. If Moyes wanted a midfield boss he should of stumped up the extra for De Rossi instead of signing Fellaini.

If he wins the Champions League, no I wouldn't want him out. I hated his appointment, however I'd love to be proven wrong. I will happily say I was wrong if he becomes a success.

It'll do you good to to experience a bit of gloom, you've known nothing else but success in your lifetime. Think of people like me who's not seen our team win the league for 27 years, and think of Nathen who's team hasn't won it for even longer, and MTVN's team, generations have past since then.

[Brother Leon]

Another one off in the summer. I said it before and I do still think Moyes will come good. Lord knows why I do, but I just have a weird feeling. It's just a case of how long is it going to take. I think the next time we really challenge for the title, DDG,Jones,Smalling and Adnan will be the only ones of this current batch still around imo. Could take 3 years or even his full 6 year contract.

May seem Depressing, but even Sir Alex had his transition phase when Chelsea and Jose were dominating and we had Djemba Djemba starting

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by wannashag

That is just such crap

Your telling me that the likes of Vidic, Evra, Van Persie and others are putting in 100% for the club and are playing to their full potential every week? and the reason has nothing to do with the players, the reason is Moyes tactics?
The only person I saw yesterday that played like he wanted to win was Rooney.

If getting in the top 4 comes down to who the manager is, then Moyes took an Everton team into the top 4, so obviously he's a manager that fits your criteria.

Blaming the manager is the easy way out, taking the shortcut, cutting corners, turning a blind eye to the real problems.

In the words of Sir Alex Ferguson, "These players are cheating their manager"

He was beyond ****. Celebrating like a lunatic at 2-1 doesn't change that. Mata and Carrick were the only ones who looked like they had any interest other than pumping 60000 crosses into the box and hoping one eventially paid off. It's embarrassing that someone who has been at the club for 2 weeks seems to care more than most of these guys. Same way RVP was the only one to look like he gave a damn earlier in the season.

[Brother Leon]

Oh dear. He removed the caption after all th abuse

[King Gizzard]

Arry wants Ravel Morrison on loan

[MTVN]

Can he still do that season?

[Brother Leon]

Jose trolling City again. Dropping truth though. Hilarious how little a fuss has been made though about Toure lashing out. He's learning from Aguero it seems.