[Gstar]

[Niall]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Is this like gay people being allowed to call themselves fags but if a straight person says it they are homophobes?

Well kinda, yeah. When a straight person says those words, those words take on a new, oppressive context. They become slurs when the historically oppressive group uses them.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the person is homophobic, but that behaviour is sort of homophobic if you follow me.

[GypsyGoth]

It doesn't bother me, it's often used as a term of endearment, like my brother or something.

[user104658]

I don't have a problem with any person using any word.

[Gstar]

just remembered that i've actually got the word in my location

[Mystic Mock]

Yes as the word is offensive whoever uses it, it's the same if a white person called another white person a "honkey" it's racist and shouldn't really be tolerated if other ethnicities can't use the words as well.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Yes as the word is offensive whoever uses it, it's the same if a white person called another white person a "honkey" it's racist and shouldn't really be tolerated if other ethnicities can't use the words as well.

Anyone of any ethnicity can call me anything they want to call me. Does that mean I can use the fabled Enn Word?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Not this discussion again.

Jesus is talking the most sense in here. Too many of the other posters dont seem to understand the history of that word and why its so taboo.

Exactly Girth so why do some black people think it's cool to remind people of this and basically being racist to themselves?

[GypsyGoth]

The word has evolved, it has more than just the racist meaning.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Well kinda, yeah. When a straight person says those words, those words take on a new, oppressive context. They become slurs when the historically oppressive group uses them.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the person is homophobic, but that behaviour is sort of homophobic if you follow me.

I follow perfectly, it's that old thing called... what was it.... double standards.

If a word brings with it negative connotations and memories of a less pleasant time for a certain group of people then why on earth would they want to bring it into their vocabulary.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

racist to themselves

what

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Yes as the word is offensive whoever uses it, it's the same if a white person called another white person a "honkey" it's racist and shouldn't really be tolerated if other ethnicities can't use the words as well.

Similarly I'd say only white people can use that word however way they want to

[Jack_]

No issue whatsoever, and actually I've noticed an increase in its usage recently, there seems to be a hell of a load of vines that include it or have that clip of Kevin Hart saying it. There also seems to be a load of vines centred around 'black girl problems' or 'white girl problems' so I guess you take issue with them, tbh I find them all funny though so

But no to answer the question I don't, I could probably count the number of times I've ever used it on one hand though (song lyrics, quoting etc), it's such an...uncomfortable word if its not contextualised properly

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone of any ethnicity can call me anything they want to call me. Does that mean I can use the fabled Enn Word?

If the law says that you can use any word you want then go for it, but as it is at the minute I don't think it's fair that non-white people can't call us "honkeys" but other white people can, and that black people can call each other the n word while non-black people can't.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Salman!

what

You can be racist to your own race you know? Just see Derek from BB6 over Science.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Similarly I'd say only white people can use that word however way they want to

Well I'm sorry but I disagree with that, unless it's equal for everyone to say it then I think it's wrong as in the western world we're all suppose to be equal to one another so having no go zone words for different races, genders, sexualities, or something as silly as hair is completely contradictory to what the western world is trying to be.

[InOne]

I'd never heard of the word 'Honkey' until I listened to Brain Damage by Eminem years ago and didn't even really get it then lol

[Vicky.]

I think I learnt honkey from this forum, and its the only place I have ever seen it used

Cracker we get a lot round here, though it appears to mean 'mad' rather than anything else.

[InOne]

I thought white bread was the most common one

[Mystic Mock]

Vanilla can be used in a racial undertone as well, and for black people Hot Chocolate.

[lostalex]

I've never actually heard black people use the N-word around me, i've only seen it on TV and in music.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I follow perfectly, it's that old thing called... what was it.... double standards.

If a word brings with it negative connotations and memories of a less pleasant time for a certain group of people then why on earth would they want to bring it into their vocabulary.

Its also the same as women calling themselves bitches but if a man uses that word then he's be labelled sexist.

As a man I completely understand why some would find it offensive if I used the word bitch to describe a woman, I understand the offensive nature of the word and I frankly dont want to use. If women want to call each other bitches then I have no issue with that and I wont be complaining about any perceived injustice. What I dont understand is why so many people dont apply this same principle to the n word and so many people simply want to claim some kind of right they feel they have to use the word because say rappers use it or they've heard black people using it.

[Nedusa]

The problem is if Black people use this word and it becomes OK , it becomes more known for it's new meaning then eventually non Black people will start using it for it's new meaning.

There's the problem.... it will always be connected to the offensive meaning it used to have and that offense could still be caused if the word is spoken by someone who is non Black to someone who is Black and not very tolerant of the word.

It will always carry the offensive meaning and for that reason the word needs to be laid to rest in perpetuity..............!!!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its also the same as women calling themselves bitches but if a man uses that word then he's be labelled sexist.

As a man I completely understand why some would find it offensive if I used the word bitch to describe a woman, I understand the offensive nature of the word and I frankly dont want to use. If women want to call each other bitches then I have no issue with that and I wont be complaining about any perceived injustice. What I dont understand is why so many people dont apply this same principle to the n word and so many people simply want to claim some kind of right they feel they have to use the word because say rappers use it or they've heard black people using it.

Really? Never heard of that one at all. I am quite often called a bitch by males, as are most women I know. I never realised it was meant to be a really offensive thing

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really? Never heard of that one at all. I am quite often called a bitch by males, as are most women I know. I never realised it was meant to be a really offensive thing

Rappers are labelled misogynists for using the word.

Here's an article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyn...ip_hop_culture

Common misogynistic themes include the use of derogatory names such as "bitch" and "ho", sexual objectification of women, legitimation of violence against women, distrust of women, and the glorification of prostitution and pimping.

A quote from the article.