[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

bbc news shoudlnt be tabloid hysterical drivel. its always claimed to be better than that, sadly its standards slipped to the gutter years ago and Im right to point out that fact.

Id have had more respect for lenny henry if hed actually pointed out the fact the disabled are under represented on tv instead of plkaying the race card

It is, and has been for years though. Its totally biased in reporting about most things too.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by the truth

religious issues? what do you mean? are you one of those who thinks wars are always over religion? when in fact theyre always over power, land , oil, wealth , control....religion is a mere tool...without which youve have just as many wars and even more disorder

Most wars and conflicts, past and present, have been about religion and all the resulting hate with each group of religious zealots trying to get the upper hand over another. You may choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit with your own views, but facts are facts.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Most wars and conflicts, past and present, have been about religion and all the resulting hate with each group of religious zealots trying to get the upper hand over another. You may choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit with your own views, but facts are facts.

I think you'll find that religion is used as the excuse.

"Allah" "God" told them to do it. They are serving their God, it's what they would have wanted. It's the scape goat for deeper problems.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

bbc news shoudlnt be tabloid hysterical drivel. its always claimed to be better than that, sadly its standards slipped to the gutter years ago and Im right to point out that fact.

Id have had more respect for lenny henry if hed actually pointed out the fact the disabled are under represented on tv instead of plkaying the race card

People are generally concerned about what affects THEM though. Thats just how the world works. Race affects him more than disability does, therefor to him, race is what he notices. Its a bit like how you seem to notice every little thing about women..its clearly a massive issue to you, whereas marsh claims not to have even noticed this story about bank notes on the news. I rarely watch news which is why I knew nothing of it...but I don't think its really fair to accuse him of lying about not noticing the apparent prevalence of that particular story

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Most wars and conflicts, past and present, have been about religion and all the resulting hate with each group of religious zealots trying to get the upper hand over another. You may choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit with your own views, but facts are facts.

99% wrong. first world war - monarchy and power

how many wars started by the monarchies? most of them
from the greeks the eqyptians the romans and beyond

british empire-monarchy land power
world war 2 monarchy , power, wealth, control
iraq war- oil money power control etc

blaming religion is as mindless as blaming a tree for producing sticks for spears
if you want to start the blame game, start with the monarchies. then look at human greed

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

I dont believe you. its been on the news loads of times.

I don't care. It's not really the point.

Why I'd pretend about such an issue is beyond me.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People are generally concerned about what affects THEM though. Thats just how the world works. Race affects him more than disability does, therefor to him, race is what he notices. Its a bit like how you seem to notice every little thing about women..its clearly a massive issue to you, whereas marsh claims not to have even noticed this story about bank notes on the news. I rarely watch news which is why I knew nothing of it...but I don't think its really fair to accuse him of lying about not noticing the apparent prevalence of that particular story

no theyre not. jimmy saville wont affect any of us. but incompetend negligent nhs wards will affect us all , in fact it may kills us off

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

youve been reported for personal attacks, very poor show.

Oh, so you can be personal but I can't?

Hmm, I thought you supported the tit for tat mentality? Clearly not.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I don't care. It's not really the point.

Why I'd pretend about such an issue is beyond me.

you say you watch all news and never seen this...that doesnt add up 1) either you miss a lot of news or 2) you watched it but didnt concentrate its been on endlessly with this trivial nonsense whilst massively more british news stories go ignored such as those Ive highlighted

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Oh, so you can be personal but I can't?

Hmm, I thought you supported the tit for tat mentality? Clearly not.

your abuse was direct. again you ignored the bigger issue and attacked me

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

you say you watch all news and never seen this...that doesnt add up

Well, I don't literally watch every minute of every news programme on TV nor do I read every word in every newspaper.

I watch the news regularly and I haven't seen it once.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I think you'll find that religion is used as the excuse.

"Allah" "God" told them to do it. They are serving their God, it's what they would have wanted. It's the scape goat for deeper problems.

Undoubtedly, but religion provides that excuse. And excuse or not, if the headlines ignored it all, there would be much more room for blood clots.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Undoubtedly, but religion provides that excuse. And excuse or not, if the headlines ignored it all, there would be much more room for blood clots.

Which means?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

your abuse was direct.

Was it really? Apologies, I must have thought you were a woman.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by the truth

99% wrong. first world war - monarchy and power

how many wars started by the monarchies? most of them
from the greeks the eqyptians the romans and beyond

british empire-monarchy land power
world war 2 monarchy , power, wealth, control
iraq war- oil money power control etc

blaming religion is as mindless as blaming a tree for producing sticks for spears
if you want to start the blame game, start with the monarchies. then look at human greed

Blaming women for everything is mindless, try looking a little closer to home if you want to get real.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Was it really? Apologies, I must have thought you were a woman.

Spot on!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

no theyre not. jimmy saville wont affect any of us. but incompetend negligent nhs wards will affect us all , in fact it may kills us off

In news, stuff such as jimmy saville interest more people than endless stories about hospital wards (also feel the need to point out that despite not watching much news at all, I have actually seen/heard quite a lot about the NHS failing and such ). Scandal sells more than everyday life. Look at Harold Shipman...he killed a few people, whereas many more will have died probably at the same hospital and werent mentioned..because the Shipman story was shocking..whereas people expect other deaths. Who is going to be interested in stories of people dying from blood clots, while there is a killer doctor on the loose?

However when someone gives an opinion on (or moans about) something..as Lenny did, it tends to be about things that personally affect them. In his case, race.

[Kizzy]

You haven't heard about the NHS failing vicky, you have heard about grossly underfunded mismanaged hospitals struggling.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Which means?

Without religion they would have to find something else to justify their actions - they might be hard-pressed to find something as 'easy' as religion. As religion is based on belief rather than fact, it makes it easier for all sides to take the moral high ground and spout their religious beliefs as justification for any wrongdoing.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You haven't heard about the NHS failing vicky, you have heard about grossly underfunded mismanaged hospitals struggling.

Well yeah but its dressed up by all the major news channels to be the failing NHS

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by the truth

no theyre not. jimmy saville wont affect any of us. but incompetend negligent nhs wards will affect us all , in fact it may kills us off

If you actually knew anything about the situation in the NHS you would know that problems are largley to do with lack of funding which comes down to government. Clinical staff on most NHS wards are struggling trying to do the job of two, they do the best they can. They are over-worked and underpaid for what they do.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Without religion they would have to find something else to justify their actions - they might be hard-pressed to find something as 'easy' as religion. As religion is based on belief rather than fact, it makes it easier for all sides to take the moral high ground and spout their religious beliefs as justification for any wrongdoing.

Yes, but that doesn't put religion at the centre of their actions.

Do you think without religion they wouldn't go ahead with their actions? Yes, they certainly would.

So whether it's used as an excuse or not doesn't really scratch the surface of what's actually going on.

[Mystic Mock]

Shouldn't people get cast on the show that are actually good at the job? Black, white, or hell even orange.

I don't agree with an ethnic group getting jobs just because of the colour of their skin, they have to actually be suited for the job imo.

[Jack_]

What's all this about casting more people in wheelchairs? Eh? You do know that you don't just have to be in a wheelchair to be considered disabled, right?

Have you ever watched the Paralympics, or para-sport? You'd realise the broad spectrum of disability then...and I think those people have been represented in Big Brother certainly and soaps to an extent. There should be more disabled people on TV and in the media than there are at the minute yes, but all this about people in wheelchairs is nonsense there's more to disability than a bloody wheelchair

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Eh? You do know that you don't just have to be in a wheelchair to be considered disabled, right?

The turn of conversation worried me too. Apparently the several disabled BB housemates don't count on his disabled radar because they don't use chairs.