[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well joey, one of the biggest liars of the last couple of decades was a Labour leader. Lest we forget...

Hello Livia,
No disagreement there at all and I have said that many times myself.

Although I do quantify and qualify it by saying lies or not,(which I believe he did lie), no matter who was in power the then UK govt. would still have totally supported the Republican President Bush and gone to war in Iraq with the same result and the now ongoing chaos there is there again now too.

Yes however, the short answer is you are right and I agree absolutely.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hello Livia,
No disagreement there at all and I have said that many times myself.

Although I do quantify and qualify it by saying lies or not,(which I believe he did lie), no matter who was in power the then UK govt. would still have totally supported the Republican President Bush and gone to war in Iraq with the same result and the now ongoing chaos there is there again now too.

Yes however, the short answer is you are right and I agree absolutely.

Well, we'll never know what would have happened had the Tories been in charge. Would they have "sexed up" the dossier? Maybe... Would they have taken us to war on a lie? Maybe... but the fact is that this is about Labour, who seem to some to be totally Teflon, innocent of every ill, indeed, the saviours of the country if only it wasn't for the nasty Tories. The fact is, as you know, that there are some great MPs from all parties... but the parties themselves leave a lot to be desired.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, we'll never know what would have happened had the Tories been in charge. Would they have "sexed up" the dossier? Maybe... Would they have taken us to war on a lie? Maybe... but the fact is that this is about Labour, who seem to some to be totally Teflon, innocent of every ill, indeed, the saviours of the country if only it wasn't for the nasty Tories. The fact is, as you know, that there are some great MPs from all parties... but the parties themselves leave a lot to be desired.

That is true and we don't know really what others may have done to win the vote however in fairness Ed Miliband wasn't even an MP when the vote to go into Iraq was taken.

The last bit I have put in bold of your post really says everything about modern politics,I agree 100% with that.
I find it really sad that those voices are more often than not the least heard ones.