[Cal.]

Helen is not bullying Jale, the situation is going over the top now and it better not turn out in some mass rebellion or something by the fans because it's completely over the top. I haven't agreed with some of the things Helen has done, like the lip balm thing and calling her a slug, but I think Helen speaks before she thinks and I think once she sits back and thinks about what she's doing/done, she'll show her decent side and apologize, much like she did with Danielle. That's my personal opinion, obviously it could change but if she persists I will not be happy.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No the accusations of bullying are what's BS, different people cope with situations like this in different ways depending on how strong mentally a person they are. I don't feel like I could cope, I don't think someone like Ashleigh could cope either, but Jale seems perfectly strong minded enough to me so far to deal with it. If in the next few days it emerges she's getting upset by it and explicitly says she feels isolated and bullied then I'll retract all of this and agree that it's bullying. It isn't up to anyone else but the person themselves to determine whether they're being bullied or not. If you can deal with it it is just targeting and unnecessary nastiness, if it breaks you down it's bullying

We better stop protecting children bullied by abusive parents who think it's ok then! Or abused wife's who thinks its normal to be beaten and just accept it. That rational makes my blood boil, completely and utterly flawed

[Jack_]

No I don't feel like Deana was bullied either and this is coming from a fan of hers. She was targeted and people were nasty to her, but she had Luke and Adam and dealt with the situation she was in. She was treated in a vile manner but it wasn't bullying

The only real instances of bullying in BBUK are Shahbaz and Shilpa. And actually it pisses me off that so many people on here are screaming that this is bullying yet I swear I've seen quite a few claim that Shahbaz wasn't bullied/that he brought it on/it was justified. That whole week was uncomfortable and disgusting television and if I were to ever rewatch BB7 I'd have to skip it, it makes me angry thinking about it, it puts a downer on so many of the housemates for me that week. That was bullying.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Helen is not bullying Jale, the situation is going over the top now and it better not turn out in some mass rebellion or something by the fans because it's completely over the top. I haven't agreed with some of the things Helen has done, like the lip balm thing and calling her a slug, but I think Helen speaks before she thinks and I think once she sits back and thinks about what she's doing/done, she'll show her decent side and apologize, much like she did with Danielle. That's my personal opinion, obviously it could change but if she persists I will not be happy.

Well good for her then

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

[Vicky.]

Shahbaz was absolutely bullied, and anyone who claims otherwise obviously just dislikes him and is blinded by that

[Vladimir]

not sure if it's bullying or not but Jale needs to stand up for herself.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Well good for her then

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

Of course it's OK

[Firewire]

luke a is the one true bully calling becky out her bmi, disgusting

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Well good for her then

She can be a total **** but its ok as long as she apologizes?

Well I don't see Toya being accused of being a bully but people seem to think that it's okay if she apologized to Helen, why the different rules for Helen?

I think people need to watch the first week of BB7 and CBB5 like someone said earlier before they start all this **** about Helen.

[Samm]

Liz jones would fix this mess

[Jake.]

Why is being isolated/being spoken about in a vile manner so different from being bullied? No matter what you class it as, it's disgusting, with or without the 'bully' tag.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hofman

We better stop protecting children bullied by abusive parents who think it's ok then! Or abused wife's who thinks its normal to be beaten and just accept it. That rational makes my blood boil, completely and utterly flawed

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

[Daniel.]

Deana's was the worst ever imo cuz the wannabee rapust was around nearly the whole series

Richard bullied Shahbaz awfully but it wasn't too long

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Sezer bullied Shahbaz awfully but it wasn't too long

Corrected

[Daniel.]

No Richard was the worst and why I never liked him

[Samm]

But I'd rather have this then watching BBAUS that has a PG rating

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Well I don't see Toya being accused of being a bully but people seem to think that it's okay if she apologized to Helen, why the different rules for Helen?

I think people need to watch the first week of BB7 and CBB5 like someone said earlier before they start all this **** about Helen.

As far as we've seen, toya hasn't been completely OTT nasty at Jale for NO reason like Helen.

[Jake.]

Pretty much all of them joined in on the 'let's bully Shabaz' bandwagon, no correction really needed

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Why is being isolated/being spoken about in a vile manner so different from being bullied? No matter what you class it as, it's disgusting, with or without the 'bully' tag.

No one is saying it's not disgusting and she's acting in a vile manner, but bullying is a whole different kettle of fish and makes a person much, much worse

The biggest conflict I have with Helen is that she shows signs of being rational in that she can step back and admit she acted in a horrible manner, she's done so with Christopher and Danielle and she apologises for it...but then she sinks back into it and makes herself look worse. It's quite annoying

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Hofman

Do we not remember BB5 fight night, or Shilpa?

Rules are needed for a reason!

Without rules it would dissolve in to the Hunger Games

Those cases included violence and racial slurs... neither of which have occurred here.
This is the name of the game... of course it's possible that bb has spoken to jale and asked how she feels and if she's fine then there's no need to intervene.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Don't be ****ing ridiculous comparing some nasty comments and unnecessary targeting on a reality TV show to domestic violence where one partner controls the other through psychological and physical manipulation to convince them that they're fine and if they leave things will get worse. In fact you insinuating I'd support something like that is making MY blood boil, so quit it

Your being ****ing ridiculous!!

I work with victims of abuse both physical and mental every day and what you are saying in here is really very sad to hear!! It's only bullying if it effects you, what planet are you on! People adapt various coping mechanisms many of which hide feelings from others as a defence.

[Black Dagger]

Richard and Sezer were definitely the worst with the Shabaz thing, they locked him in the garden and ate meat crisp, taunting him, they were repulsive.

How Richard was a fan fave is beyond me. Fat ox.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Those cases included violence and racial slurs... neither of which have occurred here.
This is the name of the game... of course it's possible that bb has spoken to jale and asked how she feels and if she's fine then there's no need to intervene.

I agree with what you are saying in many ways, I just think BB needs to demonstrate to the viewers that they are monitoring how she is feeling and coping with the situation. Then at least we will know if intervention is really necessary.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Hofman

Your being ****ing ridiculous!!

I work with victims of abuse both physical and mental every day and what you are saying in here is really very sad to hear!! It's only bullying if it effects you, what planet are you on! People adapt various coping mechanisms many of which hide feelings from others as a defence.

Agreed, it's easy to look from the outside and say "oh she's strong she can handle it" just because she hasn't fully made her feelings known.

[BigBuk]

It is bullying imo, I thought last year that Dexter was being bullied, looking back it I think it was pack mentality but no one said the kinda things to him that is being said to Jale, its disgusting. You can tell she is being made uncomfortable in the house.

I dont know if its in my nature to think that shes being bullied, I've never been bullied but I can tell from seeing it that it would feel horrible. I think if you make people feel uncomfortable that in itself is bullying imo.