[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

it's making her look weak and the more weak she looks the more they go on and on that makes me feel she playing victim

This.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

because no one wants to see bullying its horrible, i'm not criticising her just saying Jale needs to sort it and Big Brother to put this bulllying gate behind and let them party. i even say Winston should get the final pass because he is the nicest person there.

You mean you want Jale to sort it your way, not hers.

Jale is dealing with it, you just don't like how its being done.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

You mean you want Jale to sort it your way, not hers.

Jale is dealing with it, you just don't like how its being done.

no i like how jale is not stepping down to helens and pauline level just saying she needs to have a word then i will think again about thinking she playing a game

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

no i like how jale is not stepping down to helens and pauline level just saying she needs to have a word then i will think again about thinking she playing a game

You do remember that Jale is the only person that has tried to tackle Pauline? And how did that work out?

She was very polite, never raised her voice, but Pauline shouted over her and made a complete show of the conversation by storming into bedroom and dragging the house in to it.

Now you are demanding that Jale try to do the same with Helen? That she needs to man up and tackle her face to face?

She already tried to deal with the situation like that. It didn't work. Now she is trying it another way, and you are criticising her for it.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

You do remember that Jale is the only person that has tried to tackle Pauline? And how did that work out?

She was very polite, never raised her voice, but Pauline shouted over her and made a complete show of the conversation by storming into bedroom and dragging the house in to it.

Now you are demanding that Jale try to do the same with Helen? That she needs to man up and tackle her face to face?

She already tried to deal with the situation like that. It didn't work. Now she is trying it another way, and you are criticising her for it.

thats what i said? she as no chance with pauline because pauline wont let anyone talk but Helen isn't pauline now is she? helen listened to Danielle and Christopher didn't she?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

thats what i said? she as no chance with pauline because pauline wont let anyone talk but Helen isn't pauline now is she? helen listened to Danielle and Christopher didn't she?

Helen admitted to Toya and to BB that she wasn't completely happy with some of the things that she had said to Danielle. Hence the conversation.

Helen is showing no signs of self awareness over Jale, in fact shes getting worse.

What does it say about Helen, if the person that was willing to take on Pauline, isn't willing to speak to her? Least not yet anyway.

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

helen listened to Danielle and Christopher didn't she?

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad.

These are the most worrying parts of your argument. You keep insisting that the onus is on Helen's victims to sort things out. That Helen needs to be spoken too, in order for her to back off.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

Helen admitted to Toya and to BB that she wasn't completely happy with some of the things that she had said to Danielle. Hence the conversation.

Helen is showing no signs of self awareness over Jale, in fact shes getting worse.

What does it say about Helen, if the person that was willing to take on Pauline, isn't willing to speak to her? Least not yet anyway.






These are the most worrying parts of your argument. You keep insisting that the onus is on Helen's victims to sort things out. That Helen needs to be spoken too, in order for her to back off.

she does need to back off though..

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

i'm not blaming the 'victim' bullies only go for the ones who are weak and let it happen

That's a nasty thing to say.
Not all victims of bullies are weak & let it happen.
I guess you are the type of person who just watches & get's off on it.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

That's a nasty thing to say.
Not all victims of bullies are weak & let it happen.
I guess you are the type of person who just watches & get's off on it.

how is it nasty? its life thats how bullies work, they don't go for those who are strong they go for the weak because it makes them feel big.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

how is it nasty? its life thats how bullies work, they don't go for those who are strong they go for the weak because it makes them feel big.

You don't seem to have any sympathy for Jale. Instead you seem to think it's her responsibility to sort it out.
If I were jale I would steer clear of such vile people.
No matter what she say's they will twist it. It's what bullies do. They need the control.
Look what happened with Pauline.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

You don't seem to have any sympathy for Jale. Instead you seem to think it's her responsibility to sort it out.
If I were jale I would steer clear of such vile people.
No matter what she say's they will twist it. It's what bullies do. They need the control.
Look what happened with Pauline.

because that is what she wants. sympathy wins look at the bore Luke A? i do feel its bad what other housemates are doing to jale i said that loads. its helen responsibility if she wants to stop. and its jale responsibility to sort it out with helen, it's not hard to go up to a person and go oh hi can we have a talk somewhere.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

because that is what she wants. sympathy wins look at the bore Luke A? i do feel its bad what other housemates are doing to jale i said that loads. its helen responsibility if she wants to stop. and its jale responsibility to sort it out with helen, it's not hard to go up to a person and go oh hi can we have a talk somewhere.

In that house it is.
She say's good morning to Toya & gets ignored, tries to reason with Pauline then Pauline turns it around & makes Jale look like the problem. She can't win.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe after everything Jale just does not give a sh*t anymore & can't stand to be around them ?.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

In that house it is.
She say's good morning to Toya & gets ignored, tries to reason with Pauline then Pauline turns it around & makes Jale look like the problem. She can't win.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe after everything Jale just does not give a sh*t anymore & can't stand to be around them ?.

well to me she playing victim so

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

well to me she playing victim so

We are NEVER going to agree on this subject

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

We are NEVER going to agree on this subject

nope but anything can change in the future.

[thediaryroomchair]

Jale is being unfairly treated and I feel Big Brother needs to give her a warning for her behaviour. It is reminiscent of a playground where she is pushing her out and alienating her from the rest of the group.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by thediaryroomchair

Jale is being unfairly treated and I feel Big Brother needs to give her a warning for her behaviour. It is reminiscent of a playground where she is pushing her out and alienating her from the rest of the group.

they have had a word with Helen so lets hope it changes.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

they have had a word with Helen so lets hope it changes.

How many strikes before they take Helen's pass to the final away ?.
She must of had about 90 by now..................strikes not men.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

How many strikes before they take Helen's pass to the final away ?.
She must of had about 90 by now..................strikes not men.

don't know haha

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

because that is what she wants.

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

and its jale responsibility to sort it out with helen

And thats the problem right there. You've made up your mind that you know what Jale is thinking, with no evidence, or any comment from the girl herself.

Along with that you keep insisting that this is Jales problem, not Helens.

There is no debate here. Its just down to you not liking Jale and passing Helen's bad behaviour off on her. Making it all about Jale not doing enough, or BB not doing enough.

You just don't like Jale, therefore Jale is wrong in your opinion.

If you disagree please read:

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

because that is what she wants.

Two can play at "mind reader"