[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

Which is great Verbal as long as that pertains to all the housemates , including past ones , I seem to recall Jim getting loads of stick about his past, so I hope you mean everyone.

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Being judgmental about someone makes you less of a person whether you are a man or a woman. Holding someones past against them when they have genuinely made a change is small minded, quite frankly pathetic, and is the reason for a lot of the problems in today's world.

Judging is one thing, choosing to be in a relationship is another. I might not want be in a relationship with a male stripper, doesn't make me less of a person. Prostitution is not something you are born with, it's a choice she made. These are the consequences.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Theres no point scoring here Verbal I am posting my replies to comments in the thread, it's a discussion and I just posted that I would rather the thread kept to the topic instead of becoming personal, not sure why that would be such a big deal?

The point scoring I was referring to was you saying ' you cant make personal comments' which is basically you saying carry on arguing with me and i'll infract/ban you. Nothing I said was personal. It was you that made the personal comment about yourself. I merely responded to that.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Lola844

Judging is one thing, choosing to be in a relationship is another. I might not want be in a relationship with a male stripper, doesn't make me less of a person. Prostitution is not something you are born with, it's a choice she made. These are the consequences.

That is completely different to what is being discussed. People are willfully holding the past against an EX prostitute. I would not for a second date an active prostitute. But if I met a woman who USED to be a prostitute, and we got on. I would not tell her to sling her hook if I found out she used to be one. That is the attitude being shown by people that I object too.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Verbal

The point scoring I was referring to was you saying ' you cant make personal comments' which is basically you saying carry on arguing with me and i'll infract/ban you. Nothing I said was personal. It was you that made the personal comment about yourself. I merely responded to that.

Not at all. Making personal comments is against the forum rules yes but I was having a discussion with you, not moderating the thread.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Not at all. Making personal comments is against the forum rules yes but I was having a discussion with you, not moderating the thread.

Fair enough

Moving on...

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by Verbal

That is completely different to what is being discussed. People are willfully holding the past against an EX prostitute. I would not for a second date an active prostitute. But if I met a woman who USED to be a prostitute, and we got on. I would not tell her to sling her hook if I found out she used to be one. That is the attitude being shown by people that I object too.

No the thread is about Ash having a relationship with him after knowing this. Does Ash want to kiss or sleeep with Helen now? So what I said was when it comes to a relationship it would be hard to overlook and it doesn't make him a bad person for not wanting to makeout with her.

I agree she shouldn't be judged by her past when it comes to how she's seen as a housemate or a friend. So in no way am I talking about being friends with someone, or belittling someone for their past. Specifically Ash hooking up with her.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Verbal

She has stated how she regretted that period in her life and how she has moved on. If he is any kind of a man it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

You honestly think she's changed! Anything for attention and a quick buck. She has no standards and no intelligence. Ash, shallow as he is, can do better than her. She will drag him down, something that has no doubt occured to him.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

You honestly think she's changed! Anything for attention and a quick buck. She has no standards and no intelligence. Ash, shallow as he is, can do better than her. She will drag in down, something that has no doubt occured to him.

Said this yesterday, but ok apparently there is more than one... calling someone shallow makes you equally shallow; ergo your points are not worth considering.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Said this yesterday, but ok apparently there is more than one... calling someone shallow makes you equally shallow; ergo your points are not worth considering.

What a vicious circle that creates, I diss her/him, you diss me. Where's the difference? By your own reasonsing - none of us are worth considering, including you.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What a vicious circle that creates, I diss her/him, you diss me. Where's the difference? By your own reasonsing - none of us are worth considering, including you.

I haven't 'dissed' anyone. The whole post was just one big exercise in hypocrisy and wasn't worth considering.

[smudgie]

Totally depends on if he really fancies her or not.
He would be getting it for free as Helen has retired from the game, I don think he was after getting into a serious relationship before he knew about her past so I don't see why it should make a big difference.

Having known a fair few prostitutes in my time, I just don't get all the negativity towards them.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Said this yesterday, but ok apparently there is more than one... calling someone shallow makes you equally shallow; ergo your points are not worth considering.

Why does calling someone shallow make you shallow? I wouldn't say it does at all.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Why does calling someone shallow make you shallow? I wouldn't say it does at all.

Really? I'm not sitting here explaining it.

[Josy]

Can I just remind people of this:

We would like to remind everyone that while it might be OK to post comments that criticise and generally slag off the BB housemates (they have put themselves forward for this by being in the house) it is not OK to do this about other forum members.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I haven't 'dissed' anyone. The whole post was just one big exercise in hypocrisy and wasn't worth considering.

Ditto!

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Really? I'm not sitting here explaining it.

That's fine you don't have too. But someone can have real depth if character but call someone else who is vacuous and vile as shallow that does not make them shallow in my opinion. It make them bitchy or judgemental but not shallow. I don't follow your logic there

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That's fine you don't have too. But someone can have real depth if character but call someone else who is vacuous and vile as shallow that does not make them shallow in my opinion. It make them bitchy or judgemental but not shallow. I don't follow your logic there

ok

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Can I just remind people of this:

He's back to cosying up to her for a bevvy of an evening I see, I do see them more as mates though never really saw romance on the cards.