[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Entertained doesn't necessarily mean you have to enjoy something. It could just mean that people are giving you something to watch instead of not being able to watch anything (e.g. We'll watch a house full of housemates arguing - whether we like it or not is a different matter - but it's keeping us occupied and allowing us to feel strongly about the programme as opposed to watching a group of people talk about something which doesn't get us invested in the show).

I agree, the large majority of people on here have been commenting on how much they're loving this series (including those who dislike and/or want the likes of Pauline, Helen and Toya to be evicted)...well the reason for that is because of how much action there's been to dissect and discuss, how intriguing and gripping the opening few weeks have been...and there's a reason for that - a select few housemates. Those are the people who drive the narrative and create the action that so many seem to be enjoying, people like Toya, Helen, Pauline and even to a lesser extent now the likes of Ash, Danielle, Christopher. You get rid of them and what do we have? I don't get why people don't see the correlation, no one's saying you have to like them (I certainly don't like people like Helen in real life terms) or even support them, but what confuses me is when people want them evicted? If you're finding a storyline gripping enough to praise the show and come onto this forum and participate in numerous debates about issues raised, I think it's fair to say that the people who have caused you to do that should probably remain in the show.

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by John-s

Going by that, I guess you will be saving Marlon over Ashleigh next week right?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I haven't seen any of that on here.

Do you mean people calling Helen a bully makes you feel like **** for supporting her?

No me and every Helen fan have been branded as bullies for supporting her by some people.

And let's be honest if some fans irritate you it's gonna be hard to like that Housemate, I know it's wrong to have that opinion but I can't help it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

No me and every Helen fan have been branded as bullies for supporting her by some people.

And let's be honest if some fans irritate you it's gonna be hard to like that Housemate, I know it's wrong to have that opinion but I can't help it.

So you're fed up of people not liking housemates that you deem entertaining but willingly admit that you don't like some housemates that are supported by forum members you don't get on with? Rather than the show itself?

[Headie]

Originally Posted by John-s

Going by that, I guess you will be saving Marlon over Ashleigh next week right?

Who says I HAVE to vote though? There's a difference between wanting something and actually doing something. Unless Toya is up for eviction, I don't think I'll ever vote again this series, unless someone becomes a big entertainer and becomes my new fave.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I agree, the large majority of people on here have been commenting on how much they're loving this series (including those who dislike and/or want the likes of Pauline, Helen and Toya to be evicted)...well the reason for that is because of how much action there's been to dissect and discuss, how intriguing and gripping the opening few weeks have been...and there's a reason for that - a select few housemates. Those are the people who drive the narrative and create the action that so many seem to be enjoying, people like Toya, Helen, Pauline and even to a lesser extent now the likes of Ash, Danielle, Christopher. You get rid of them and what do we have? I don't get why people don't see the correlation, no one's saying you have to like them (I certainly don't like people like Helen in real life terms) or even support them, but what confuses me is when people want them evicted? If you're finding a storyline gripping enough to praise the show and come onto this forum and participate in numerous debates about issues raised, I think it's fair to say that the people who have caused you to do that should probably remain in the show.

Basically what I was trying to say but you put it better

[Bluerang1]

In all honesty this year is actually pretty good. Tamara got rightfully evicted, and hopefully Ash does tomorrow. So far so good.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So you're fed up of people not liking housemates that you deem entertaining but willingly admit that you don't like some housemates that are supported by forum members you don't get on with? Rather than the show itself?

It definitely can be a reason for me not to see much good in that particular Housemate, but even then they are probably never going to become my favourite anyway otherwise I would be understanding that Housemate's fans point of view in the first place.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Basically what I was trying to say but you put it better

Is that what you were trying to say to me?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

It definitely can be a reason for me not to see much good in that particular Housemate, but even then they are probably never going to become my favourite anyway otherwise I would be understanding that Housemate's fans point of view in the first place.

My god Mock you're a strange one.

[Marsh.]

Well one of Jack's main points was those housemates causing me to enjoy the series so I should want them in.

I'm not so it doesn't apply.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

My god Mock you're a strange one.

Oh that's old news lol.

[Mystic Mock]

I know that I've been rude this year and probably gone a little too sharp on this thread and I should be having a laugh more, but do you not see my point of view at all? This question is aimed at the fans of the nice Housemates.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I agree, the large majority of people on here have been commenting on how much they're loving this series (including those who dislike and/or want the likes of Pauline, Helen and Toya to be evicted)...well the reason for that is because of how much action there's been to dissect and discuss, how intriguing and gripping the opening few weeks have been...and there's a reason for that - a select few housemates. Those are the people who drive the narrative and create the action that so many seem to be enjoying, people like Toya, Helen, Pauline and even to a lesser extent now the likes of Ash, Danielle, Christopher. You get rid of them and what do we have? I don't get why people don't see the correlation, no one's saying you have to like them (I certainly don't like people like Helen in real life terms) or even support them, but what confuses me is when people want them evicted? If you're finding a storyline gripping enough to praise the show and come onto this forum and participate in numerous debates about issues raised, I think it's fair to say that the people who have caused you to do that should probably remain in the show.

I'm not even trying to be a contrarian but,

-Toya "drove" the narrative for like a night or two but that's neither here nor there
-Helen is "driving the narrative" in the most uncomfortable way it's just going to get worse so no thx
-Pauline drove the narrative to ****ing hell, this week's even such an improvement because she's gone and isn't suffocating everyone
-ASH is not driving **** like what on earth
-Danielle is love, it's true
-Christopher like... I know people have been attached to him since the beginning for some inexplicable reason but how the hell has his irrelevant ass been driving anything

But whatever, I've been very vocal about how bad this season's been through the first two weeks and I still think there are some major flaws that need to be sorted out so the rest of that post didn't apply much to me.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well one of Jack's main points was those housemates causing me to enjoy the series so I should want them in.

I'm not so it doesn't apply.

Well I wasn't meaning that so the answer to your question is no

[Jack_]

If you're not enjoying the series then yeah my post doesn't really apply to you (although I'd still argue anyone that's been participating in heavy debates on here is at least somewhat interested and intrigued by the series than someone who isn't enjoying it at all - this is directed at neither of you in particular though, just a general comment)

Toya's dominated pretty much the last five days. Helen's been the focal point of much of the series and whether it's uncomfortable (BB13 was moreso IMO but people love that on here) or not she's been the catalyst for why so many people have been interested enough in this series to praise it and dissect it in numerous threads on this forum. I agree that the show hasn't suffered without Pauline (I did comment towards the end of last week that I accepted things probably wouldn't change too much and that it's only if we lose all of her, Toya and Pauline that things will go downhill - and I stand by that) but she dominated the first two weeks and once again provided everything I described in my post. I don't even like Ash but his dickish behaviour has led to arguments, without him they may not even have happened and I don't understand the Christopher love either but he has been the catalyst for a few feuds which provoked discussions earlier on in the series with Toya and Pauline, tbh I just threw his name out there...emerging characters like Ashleigh are almost on the same level as him now in all honesty.

[Marsh.]

Dominated for five days? Toya's been wallpaper for two highlights shows.

She was a focus of the nomination argument episode and then the episode afterwards and then she's sat back with Ashleigh.

[Jack_]

I've still got last night's to watch (the Demand 5 episode hasn't been put on Sky yet) cause I was out but even if she's just sat and bitched with the Ashleigh/Danielle crew that's still partaking in the show as far as I'm concerned. I was intrigued by Ashleigh's emerging role and opinions the other night and she's literally done **** all to anyone's face, just because they're sitting back and bitching it doesn't mean they're not involved compared to someone like Marlon or Chris. Dominating may have been the wrong word but still

[minty3]

Not everyone finds the same housemates entertaining or boring it's all about a good mix

[Marsh.]

To be honest, last night's she didn't even just sit quiet and bitch, she barely featured at all.

I think I remember one bit with her and Ashleigh, everything else was focussed on everyone else.

[smeagol]

watching helen making other peoples lives a misery should never be classed as entertaining.
the same as pauline.

toya is doing what they all do. she is quiet as a mouse now shes up for eviction

[Amy Jade]

I don't see how Ash is entertaining. Sorry.

[Vicky.]

The only ones I find truly dull this year at this point are Steven and Kimberly. Edit. And Winston...so dull I forgot him

Overbearing personality doesnt necessarily equal entertainment, which some on here seem to think

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you're not enjoying the series then yeah my post doesn't really apply to you (although I'd still argue anyone that's been participating in heavy debates on here is at least somewhat interested and intrigued by the series than someone who isn't enjoying it at all - this is directed at neither of you in particular though, just a general comment)

Toya's dominated pretty much the last five days. Helen's been the focal point of much of the series and whether it's uncomfortable (BB13 was moreso IMO but people love that on here) or not she's been the catalyst for why so many people have been interested enough in this series to praise it and dissect it in numerous threads on this forum. I agree that the show hasn't suffered without Pauline (I did comment towards the end of last week that I accepted things probably wouldn't change too much and that it's only if we lose all of her, Toya and Pauline that things will go downhill - and I stand by that) but she dominated the first two weeks and once again provided everything I described in my post. I don't even like Ash but his dickish behaviour has led to arguments, without him they may not even have happened and I don't understand the Christopher love either but he has been the catalyst for a few feuds which provoked discussions earlier on in the series with Toya and Pauline, tbh I just threw his name out there...emerging characters like Ashleigh are almost on the same level as him now in all honesty.

I mean I guess I get your points but my main disagreements probably all stem from not not enjoying this season as much as everyone else seems to. Middle-aged bitch whose main conflicts stem around kitchen duties is definitely not may archetype of choice (and Pauline did it less fascinatingly than Carole too) and her God complex often left me more annoyed than entertained. And I still don't think Ash really did much at all and he certainly won't be missed if he's evicted. He's a slightly evolved (regressed?) Kris Donnelly, and I don't think Kris appealed to anyone. His best contribution was being the object of Toya's rage, but that really doesn't take much does it? Toya's snapped at about half the cast so far so you could essentially replace Ash with a cardboard cutout and have the same net effect. Again, I'm left more annoyed than entertained by someone who unironically defends Helen.

And I think Christopher serves as good proof of my point that not all drama is equal and drama isn't automatically entertaining. The stuff with Christopher wasn't memorable and it will not be memorable when the series is done. A real "talking point" incorporates things other than drama (the three main ones that come to mind are righteousness, humor, and wit but it's not just limited to those three) and any drama Christopher's been involved in was just pointless, forgettable drama. It hasn't had much of a bearing on things and it's been overshadowed by other, better moments so I don't really care much about it.

[flamingGalah!]

Why do people post threads like this EVERY series?????

Is it that hard to grasp that people like different things? And what you find entertaining isn't what others find entertaining??

People being vile to other people isn't entertaining to me, it is uncomfortable viewing & I hate that BB has been turned into a clone of all those other tacky scripted reality shows where it is basically people having sex or having fights. They now deliberately inflame situations so it will all kick off, which is quite sad, I used to prefer early Big Brother series where it was normal people put into a house, not the loudest fame *****s that 'talent scouts' find in clubs... Sigh...