[Tarryn]

Put Pauline or Tamara back in & we would see the vile, nasty bitch back in 20 seconds.
She is playing the game. Getting close to Jale coz of the cheers.
Did you see Helens face when BB said all the girls were safe from eviction this week ?. It totally dropped.
She would love every girl in there right now to be evicted.
She is under pressure from Ash to save him, he really meant what he said to her last night. It was kinda creepy.

[flamingGalah!]

I'm not warming to her at all, I think BB are deliberately editing it so she comes across as more humourous & cutting, rather than nasty, vile & aggressive as they want their chosen one for the entire run... She will slip up again soon though, especially once she has been given some alcohol...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I think people are questioning the edit because of how much Chris praises Ashleigh. Had Chris been saying that Helen was amazing/wonderful etc.. then I'm sure Helen's edit would be questioned too.

A number of threads have been made praising Chris' astute observations of the housemates. It seems his observations about Ashleigh should be ignored now?

Well you're presuming that Chris is praising her on stuff we're not seeing, there are astute people here who thoroughly enjoy Ashleigh & Dani bad mouthing some of the other housemates when they're not about. So it is possible that Chris is praising her on the aspects we're being shown.

But yes, we miss a lot. I know the editors have no choice but to omit large amounts of happenings in the house in order to maintain continuity of storylines and for time reasons, but to suggest that Ashleigh is a carefree happy soul the rest of the day apart from the few bits she is seen as depressed and bitching about other people. Now I grant you if someone filmed my day and only my unhappy moments were shown, I could be falsely portrayed, but I don't talk about other people. So I couldn't be presented in a way that it's not some part of me, although I do kinda moan and bitch about Ashleigh & Dani here, so maybe I'm not as different from Ashleigh as I would like

Anyway it could even be possible that Chris figured that the footage would be eventually be shown to Ashleigh and seeing that she is clearly sad, he might have praised her so that she would see the goodness in herself and snap out of the mood she has been in of late.

I used to like Ashleigh and I hope I do again, but for that to happen, she has to change. And that's dealing with the reality of what we see on the HL show, not letting the hope of off camera imaginings cloud my judgement.

Also regarding Helen being praised, she has been from the first week till now, she's also been deservedly criticized by other housemates. But that's Helen. Just as what we're seeing now is Ashleigh, and I don't find her behavior fun.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Well you're presuming that Chris is praising her on stuff we're not seeing, there are astute people here who thoroughly enjoy Ashleigh & Dani bad mouthing some of the other housemates when they're not about. So it is possible that Chris is praising her on the aspects we're being shown.

But yes, we miss a lot. I know the editors have no choice but to omit large amounts of happenings in the house in order to maintain continuity of storylines and for time reasons, but to suggest that Ashleigh is a carefree happy soul the rest of the day apart from the few bits she is seen as depressed and bitching about other people. Now I grant you if someone filmed my day and only my unhappy moments were shown, I could be falsely portrayed, but I don't talk about other people. So I couldn't be presented in a way that it's not some part of me, although I do kinda moan and bitch and Ashleigh & Dani here, so maybe I'm not as different from Ashleigh as I would like

Anyway it could even be possible that Chris figured that the footage would be eventually be shown to Ashleigh and seeing that she is clearly sad, he might have praised her so that she would see the goodness in herself and snap out of the mood she has been in of late.

I used to like Ashleigh and I hope I do again, but for that to happen, she has to change. And that's dealing with the reality of what we see on the HL show, not letting the hope of off camera imaginings cloud my judgement.

Also regarding Helen being praised, she has been from the first week till now, she's also been deservedly criticized by other housemates. But that's Helen. Just as what we're seeing now is Ashleigh, and I don't find her behavior fun.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think it speaks very highly of everyone who is giving Helen a second chance. Sure she was mean and harsh for the first ten days but she is not like that anymore. And if Jale doesn't hold a grudge against, it's kinda ridiculous for people to be offended and still upset on Jale's behalf. As Josy said, build a bridge and get over it.

Also learning to forgive and move on is a wonderful trait for people to have. This being stuck in the past and harping on about how much of an evil person she is, or how she is a slut or a vile human being, well I believe that says more about the person harboring those strong emotions than it does about Helen.

Lastly isn't it funny how when Helen was portrayed as a baddie, it was all her doing and she was getting a fair edit, but as soon as the opposition in the house to Helen are shown to be no more that spiteful bitchy people, it's suddenly because they are getting a bad edit.

You are too nice GypsyGoth

By her own admission Helen has always been the same so I fail to see how the last week in the BB house could bring about such a miraculous turnaround. If you really believe she has changed, then that’s fair enough, but I don’t. A few days of mocking people with a snidey face instead of being all – out nasty doesn’t say change to me at all. It won’t be long before she’s at it again when the warnings aren’t so fresh in her mind.

How is Helen going to grow and learn if she can behave how she likes and it all should be forgiven and forgotten so easily? Her friends and family probably do this all the time. She says herself “I know that I’m like” as if this is an excuse for her behaviour. She gets away with it. She is nice to people she likes and nasty to those she doesn’t.

She has a nasty, mean streak in her and I can’t warm to people like that. I can understand people liking her for the 'entertainment value' but it’s hard for me to believe some people genuinely like her. But they do, so that’s that.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by jet

You are too nice GypsyGoth

By her own admission Helen has always been the same so I fail to see how the last week in the BB house could bring about such a miraculous turnaround. If you really believe she has changed, then that’s fair enough, but I don’t. A few days of mocking people with a snidey face instead of being all – out nasty doesn’t say change to me at all. It won’t be long before she’s at it again when the warnings aren’t so fresh in her mind.

How is Helen going to grow and learn if she can behave how she likes and it all should be forgiven and forgotten so easily? Her friends and family probably do this all the time. She says herself “I know that I’m like” as if this is an excuse for her behaviour. She gets away with it. She is nice to people she likes and nasty to those she doesn’t.

She has a nasty, mean streak in her and I can’t warm to people like that. I can understand people liking her for the 'entertainment value' but it’s hard for me to believe some people genuinely like her. But they do, so that’s that.

Thank you

And yep I agree, I don't think Helen has miraculously changed, I believe she entered the house and she was like fighter in attack mode. But I do think she's reined in that part of herself. Perhaps it was the warning that was the wake up call, or it was the boos, or maybe even the group dynamics are different so she no longer has to battle to be alpha female.

Also I totally get it why a lot of people are against her, and will be no matter what she does in the house.

But if you look at the housemates, Mark, Winston, Marlon & Ash think the world of her. And I'm hesitant to bring Pauline into this, but she gave Helen a pass based on just a conversation or two. For that to happen, she muct be pretty likeable in real life.

Anyway for me liking Helen isn't difficult. She's a real person, flawed, at times fierce and she's having fun.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Thank you

And yep I agree, I don't think Helen has miraculously changed, I believe she entered the house and she was like fighter in attack mode. But I do think she's reined in that part of herself. Perhaps it was the warning that was the wake up call, or it was the boos, or maybe even the group dynamics are different so she no longer has to battle to be alpha female.

Also I totally get it why a lot of people are against her, and will be no matter what she does in the house.

But if you look at the housemates, Mark, Winston, Marlon & Ash think the world of her. And I'm hesitant to bring Pauline into this, but she gave Helen a pass based on just a conversation or two. For that to happen, she muct be pretty likeable in real life.

Anyway for me liking Helen isn't difficult. She's a real person, flawed, at times fierce and she's having fun.

I wouldn’t be against her no matter what she does. I try to post something positive when the opportunity arises about HM’s I dislike (like I did with Jimbo in CBB). The ratio would be like 80% negative 20% positive. Not a lot, but I try.
I think I’ll struggle with Helen though because of her mean, nasty streak and snidey facial expressions. It's going to be challenging.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

I wouldn’t be against her no matter what she does. I try to post something positive when the opportunity arises about HM’s I dislike (like I did with Jimbo in CBB). The ratio would be like 80% negative 20% positive. Not a lot, but I try.
I think I’ll struggle with Helen though because of her mean, nasty streak and snidey facial expressions. It's going to be challenging.

(the part bolded)Blimey Jet,that sounds like Ashleigh aswell

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

(the part bolded)Blimey Jet,that sounds like Ashleigh aswell

Nah. Ashleigh is a bitchy little moan but in no way does that compare with the cruel treatment Helen dished out to Jale, which I would say clearly showed a nasty, mean streak.
There is NO comparison.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by jet

I wouldn’t be against her no matter what she does. I try to post something positive when the opportunity arises about HM’s I dislike (like I did with Jimbo in CBB). The ratio would be like 80% negative 20% positive. Not a lot, but I try.
I think I’ll struggle with Helen though because of her mean, nasty streak and snidey facial expressions. It's going to be challenging.