[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CorfuOrBust

You need not worry about her becoming a discredit to the Irish because she is actually BRITISH!!

Well, technically speaking she's both or either

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by CorfuOrBust

You need not worry about her becoming a discredit to the Irish because she is actually BRITISH!!

I know technically she is British but she lives in Northern Ireland which is on the island of Ireland and she was called Northern Irish Lass therefore Ireland does feature

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I know technically she is British but she lives in Northern Ireland which is on the island of Ireland and she was called Northern Irish Lass therefore Ireland does feature

Yeah that's like saying someone from Wales or Scotland isn't Welsh or Scottish

[Beso]

She was fantastic last night.

She stuck up for what she believed to be right and her bravery really pleased me.Her little sides kick denielle was also great and backed her when needed.

They planted the seeds and followed through on their plan brilliantly.

Honestly, I cant sday how pleased I was to see this happen and she has now become my firm favourite..

[CorfuOrBust]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that's like saying someone from Wales or Scotland isn't Welsh or Scottish

Not really because Wales and Scotland have no division in them.

Don't want to really over debate this and don't want to be too over critical, was just saying that she's not Irish and would not be able to discredit Ireland.

Those that live in Ireland do not class those in Northern Ireland as Irish, according to my Irish relatives.

It's all going too far now and if she want's to say she's Irish I don't care, can't stand her anyway!!

Even now people from Cornwall do not want to be called English and want their own little country down there and call themselves Cornish!! The world's going mad!!

[Yaki da]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoim...1ZVvfpyJIloNrw

The end of this video

"Aw, Kimberly has such a problem. Poor Kim" followed by a sarcastic pout

What a superbitch

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CorfuOrBust

Not really because Wales and Scotland have no division in them.

Don't want to really over debate this and don't want to be too over critical, was just saying that she's not Irish and would not be able to discredit Ireland.

Those that live in Ireland do not class those in Northern Ireland as Irish, according to my Irish relatives.

It's all going too far now and if she want's to say she's Irish I don't care, can't stand her anyway!!

Even now people from Cornwall do not want to be called English and want their own little country down there and call themselves Cornish!! The world's going mad!!

Well I am Irish and I would class her as Irish since she lives on the Island of Ireland, I would see Northern Ireland in very much the same way as I see Wales and Scotland, part of Britain but a country in their own right. Don't you know that Rory McIlroy is going to be playing for Ireland in the next Olympics

[kefln]

I was really impressed last night, she went from b*tching in the corner, to taking control.

To put it another way, two weeks ago would anyone of guessed that Ashleigh would have taken control of a girls meeting?

Two weeks ago would anyone have believed that in a critical conversation between the girls, that Helen would have been submissive to Ashleigh?

Helen went into that meeting thinking that she had Jale and Kim in her pocket, but the reality was that Ashleigh had done alot more ground work.

The likes of Helen only rule when people are afraid, they like to shout everyone down. Ashleigh turned that situation on its head, she used calm and logic.

Thumbs up to the girl.

[CorfuOrBust]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I am Irish and I would class her as Irish since she lives on the Island of Ireland, I would see Northern Ireland in very much the same way as I see Wales and Scotland, part of Britain but a country in their own right. Don't you know that Rory McIlroy is going to be playing for Ireland in the next Olympics

Sorry I do not know who that is and had to google him and it says his nationality is Northern Irish and not British, so my bad

Maybe the best thing is for The Queen to give N.I. back!! Anyway, I'm not posting about this again as I don't want to be told off for going way off topic too much.

Either way I'm certainly not impressed with her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

I was really impressed last night, she went from b*tching in the corner, to taking control.

To put it another way, two weeks ago would anyone of guessed that Ashleigh would have taken control of a girls meeting?

Two weeks ago would anyone have believed that in a critical conversation between the girls, that Helen would have been submissive to Ashleigh?

Helen went into that meeting thinking that she had Jale and Kim in her pocket, but the reality was that Ashleigh had done alot more ground work.

The likes of Helen only rule when people are afraid, they like to shout everyone down. Ashleigh turned that situation on its head, she used calm and logic.

Thumbs up to the girl.

Yep, she followed through which I like, she really took control of that whole task.

[kefln]

I think people have this idea that "fighting" is all about shouting, especially in BB.

But its not. Fighting can also be about undermining and that is whats just happened to Helen. There was no row, she just got the rug pulled from under her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

I think people have this idea that "fighting" is all about shouting, especially in BB.

But its not. Fighting can also be about undermining and that is whats just happened to Helen. There was no row, she just got the rug pulled from under her.

Which is so much more interesting

[Cherie]

I liked the way she took control of the whole task and the others just sat back and let her, was that was more to do with them worrying that the boys were watching the decision making process? but Helen really surprised me by taking a back seat.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I liked the way she took control of the whole task and the others just sat back and let her, was that was more to do with them worrying that the boys were watching the decision making process? but Helen really surprised me by taking a back seat.

People will probably think I'm mad for saying this but I sort of got the vibe that Helen wants Ashleigh to like her. I wonder does she see her as being everything she wants to be but isn't. Ashleigh is the only one who's given Helen the cold shoulder and a genuine reason to dislike her but Helen says nothing to her, never attacks her like she did with others who gave her little to know provocation. I even saw Helen touch Ashleighs arm to try and comfort her when she got upset at Chris speech

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People will probably think I'm mad for saying this but I sort of got the vibe that Helen wants Ashleigh to like her. I wonder does she see her as being everything she wants to be but isn't. Ashleigh is the only one who's given Helen the cold shoulder and a genuine reason to dislike her but Helen says nothing to her, never attacks her like she did with others who gave her little to know provocation. I even saw Helen touch Ashleighs arm to try and comfort her when she got upset at Chris speech

Good point.

Of any of the girls Ashleigh has never really been part of the "Helen" crew. And she's not afraid to show it. I'd imagine most believed that Toya was her protection. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Ashleigh has pulled the other girls to her. Most of the guys seem to like her, apart from "the crew", remember Ash's hate speech?

I could well imagine Helen wondering about who is the new "queen bee"