[the truth]

I feel it vitally important to seperate Christianity from Judaism and islam. Christianity is the one I believe in. Forgiveness, repentance, redemption etc Christianity is far far far far far far far far far far far more enlightened and a far better more peaceful way forward imho

[Me. I Am Salman]

The BBC bias is infuriating, idk how these people sleep at night. Absolutely disgusting

[arista]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

The BBC bias is infuriating, idk how these people sleep at night. Absolutely disgusting

Yes
many have said this.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1299012/ha...ll-be-targeted



Not one Israeli side has died

But over a 100 and children have died
on the Hamas side

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Not one Israeli side has died

But over a 100 and children have died
on the Hamas side

While not wishing in any way to justify the Palestinian deaths and casualties, I would point out that this latest wave of violence was sparked by the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

While not wishing in any way to justify the Palestinian deaths and casualties, I would point out that this latest wave of violence was sparked by the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

no it was not. that in turn was sparked by a previous mass murdering of palestinians and so the cycle of utter carnage goes on. its an absolute disgrace. its time we supplies weapons to the palestinians to defend themselves

[the truth]

Originally Posted by arista

http://news.sky.com/story/1299012/ha...ll-be-targeted



Not one Israeli side has died

But over a 100 and children have died
on the Hamas side

and WE help in the massive supply of israeli weapons

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

While not wishing in any way to justify the Palestinian deaths and casualties, I would point out that this latest wave of violence was sparked by the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

Yes that was so wrong - Whoever did it.

But when I said loads on the Hamas died (133 at present)
and no Israeli died
I meant after that tragic killing of the 3 teenagers



Of Course what is wrong on the Hamas side
is many Rockets are Fired from top of flats
with public below them.
So when the Israeli's track them and fire back
loads of Public Die

[Iceman]

I was briefly part of a protest today here in dublin....

Saddens me how little media coverage this has gotten in the UK media.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

State of Israel was created in 1940s after WW2. The region is a spiritual place for Jews, Christians and Muslims. From the perspective of a Jew/Christian/Muslim, they may believe their spiritual claim on the region is more important than the spiritual claim of the other two. The truth is that they all have equal claim. The conflict of today and the conflict of biblical times is the same. All parties made claim to the region after warfare. 2 state solution is not the most viable option. The most viable option would be a logical solution. ONE STATE called Jerusalem where Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are all considered equal and the government reflects the population. Not one country for Jews and one country for Muslims, but one country where they all live together as equals, with complete religious freedom and religious equality. That is what should have happened when the state of Israel was created back in the 40s instead of creating a homeland for one group of people at the expense of another group. There will never be peace until people stop taking sides and blaming the other.

[Kizzy]

I thought there was a jerusalem?
Flevit super illam

[arista]

Israeli Troops Launch First Ground Raid On Gaza

[The armed branch of Hamas confirmed
that Israeli troops had exchanged gunfire with Palestinian fighters.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1299931/is...d-raid-on-gaza

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Achilles

State of Israel was created in 1940s after WW2. The region is a spiritual place for Jews, Christians and Muslims. From the perspective of a Jew/Christian/Muslim, they may believe their spiritual claim on the region is more important than the spiritual claim of the other two. The truth is that they all have equal claim. The conflict of today and the conflict of biblical times is the same. All parties made claim to the region after warfare. 2 state solution is not the most viable option. The most viable option would be a logical solution. ONE STATE called Jerusalem where Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are all considered equal and the government reflects the population. Not one country for Jews and one country for Muslims, but one country where they all live together as equals, with complete religious freedom and religious equality. That is what should have happened when the state of Israel was created back in the 40s instead of creating a homeland for one group of people at the expense of another group. There will never be peace until people stop taking sides and blaming the other.

I'm a little confused... Jerusalem is a city, not a country, so how are you going to have a "one state called Jerusalem"? That makes no sense to me.

Although the 'state' of Israel came into being in the forties, Israel itself has been sacred to Jews for over five thousand years... three thousand years before Christ was born and four thousand years before Islam came into being. So when you refer to the conflict of "biblical times" I'm not sure what you mean. Jerusalem is the sacred city of the Jews in the same way Mecca and Medina are sacred to Islam. Jerusalem hardly features at all in the Quran. And yes Jerusalem is sacred to Christians because Jesus lived there two thousand years ago, and Jesus was a Jew.

It would be a fine thing if everyone could live together in peace. It'll happen one day when the "old guard" get older and new generations take over. There is more and more resistance to violence among the Jewish youth in Israel, more coming together to call for peace. For the moment, it's a blood bath.

[Northern Monkey]

As far as religion is concerned the Hebrews were in that region(Canaan)over a thousand years before Christianity came about and nearly two thousand years before Islam.However i don't think this conflict is just about religion,It's about territory aswell which complicates things.There were people there before the Jews came from Egypt.I don't think this conflict will be resolved in our life time or for generations after that.Who knows if it ever will,Even after modern religion is looked back on as the greek,Egyptian and Roman religions are now.

[the truth]

yet another reason why scotland may go it alone, they actually read up on these matters are better eductaed than the rest of us and more fair minded and compassionate than the warmongering rich westminster elite

[Livia]

Nothing's that black and white.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nothing's that black and white.

139 dead v no dead
sounds black and white and red all over

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

139 dead v no dead
sounds black and white and red all over

I was, of course, referring to your comment about Scotland. No country is all good or all bad.

[arista]

I give credit to Israel who halted a attack
as they could see children all around the zone.


It will get worse
Its harder for Hamas as Egypt
is no longer able to help
as they are under Army Control

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was, of course, referring to your comment about Scotland. No country is all good or all bad.

Except America.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was, of course, referring to your comment about Scotland. No country is all good or all bad.

israel is now mostly bad....scotland has a far more balanced view of world events than England, who are controlled by the elite rich and monarchy hell bent on power

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm a little confused... Jerusalem is a city, not a country, so how are you going to have a "one state called Jerusalem"? That makes no sense to me.

Although the 'state' of Israel came into being in the forties, Israel itself has been sacred to Jews for over five thousand years... three thousand years before Christ was born and four thousand years before Islam came into being. So when you refer to the conflict of "biblical times" I'm not sure what you mean. Jerusalem is the sacred city of the Jews in the same way Mecca and Medina are sacred to Islam. Jerusalem hardly features at all in the Quran. And yes Jerusalem is sacred to Christians because Jesus lived there two thousand years ago, and Jesus was a Jew.

It would be a fine thing if everyone could live together in peace. It'll happen one day when the "old guard" get older and new generations take over. There is more and more resistance to violence among the Jewish youth in Israel, more coming together to call for peace. For the moment, it's a blood bath.

Because Jerusalem is a name all parties could agree on.

[Me. I Am Salman]

speechless tbh..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

israel is now mostly bad....scotland has a far more balanced view of world events than England, who are controlled by the elite rich and monarchy hell bent on power

Whatever... it's not worth pursuing this discussion with you, frankly.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whatever... it's not worth pursuing this discussion with you, frankly.

I agree theres no pint us discussing this with you. you show zero compassion for the 100s of innocents butchered by the israelis