[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Yeah, but it's the language he uses. It's smarmy. Like when he was confronted by Jale and he just meekly accepted he had done wrong and didn't actually stand by anything he had said at all.

We don't see it all though and I think he done well getting his point across to Helen the other day without things descending into an argument for example, they don't all have to get things out in the open by screaming and shouting at each other and like others have posted Chris doesn't seem the type to enjoy confrontation, it's also not good in the long run if you argue a lot as the evictees this year prove.

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's quite hypocritical that Chris' constant bitching is acceptable but it's different for any other HM.

It's because he's a white male.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Not here for any chris shade

Bye

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

He even has a chin for each face

[Lister of Smeg]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

It's because he's a white male.

You being racists

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

We don't see it all though and I think he done well getting his point across to Helen the other day without things descending into an argument for example, they don't all have to get things out in the open by screaming and shouting at each other and like others have posted Chris doesn't seem the type to enjoy confrontation, it's also not good in the long run if you argue a lot as the evictees this year prove.

I agree with that. But to me it sometimes comes across as a man wriggling his way out of situations.

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

You being racists

Yes I'm being racist.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

To his defence it has kept him in, Toya, Pauline and Helen have proved being upfront is not favoured.

There's no denying it's a great gameplan! It can't fail!

But I dislike how he's slating others off in the Diary Room for being fake or whatever, when he doesn't say any of this to their faces!

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Can you direct me to it?

I'm not sure how to embed videos but here's the link http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBovTYXwtEk. At about 1:35 and 2:35 he's trying to explain his side and stuff but she just talks over him. If I remember correctly, in the highlights it basically just showed Jale having a go at him and him saying "yeah you're right I shouldn't have, sorry"

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's quite hypocritical that Chris' constant bitching is acceptable but it's different for any other HM.

Bitching is just trivial gossip or insults, eg calling someone a slug. Chris doesn't really bitch, he just gives observations. He vents, he complains but he's not really insulting or mean.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Bitching is just trivial gossip or insults, eg calling someone a slug. Chris doesn't really bitch, he just gives observations. He vents, he complains but he's not really insulting or mean.

He does very clever character assassinations in the diary room, knowing full well people are never seen as being a bitch or said to be saying things "behind people's backs" when you do it in there.

My alarm bells went off with Chris back when the men were facing the chop and he gave that speech about what a tough year he had. There's something smarmy about a man laying it on that thick in a situation like that. Winston turning it into a joke was a far more honest thing to do and Marlon's awkwardness was totally genuine as well. Chris? I just don't trust the guy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

It's because he's a white male.

Yes, Helen and Ashleigh don't get pulled up on their two faced bitching because they're white. Matthew didn't get pulled up on being an arsehole or Steven for being an are licking/two faced twat because they're white males. Jale wasn't completely torn apart after finally joining the group she was against.

It's only the black females Toya and Pauline that have been picked out. Oh, it must be about their skin. Bore off.

[JTM45]

Chris and Curistopher are without doubt the most decent people in there in my opinion!
Everyone talks about other people in there. Chris just does the same but tries to do it in the way that will cause the least crap and arguments. Similar really to what Christopher does and again, Christopher is a really decent, good-hearted person!

What Chris said about Bianca and Helen was absolutely correct! Bianca was bringing in info from the outside with the sole intention of stirring things up and when she told Helen in the toilet they both bitched about Danielle. He was spot-on!

Being non-confrontational, in my opinion, is a good trait. These gobsh*tes who try to justify their mean and bitchy actions by saying "i'm just up-front me. I just say things to people's faces instead of behind their backs" are just full of it. They still bitch behind people's backs, usually to a far greater degree than anyone else, but when they get drunk or get caught out they just use the same old "i'm just up-front" bullsh*t line to try and squirm out of the situation.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Hayden

He never says anything that he does in the diary room to their faces. He literally just sits on the fence and then when he goes in the DR he's like a different person

He is meant to give his opinions in the DR, they all are.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, when housemates are accused of being "two faced" it's not really about their diary room sessions. The whole point of the diary room is the housemates to give their thoughts and feelings on Big Brother, including those they choose not to voice in the house.

That's not the same as Helen bitching about Danielle or Toya bitching about Helen.

I wouldn't say any of them are two faced based on their diary room talks, as that's the purpose of it, to vent and talk. Bitching between themselves in the house is when they're labelled two faced.

[Donovan.]

Keeping your opinions to yourself=/=being two faced or fake. At least to me, two-faced/fake is somebody who'll be nice to someone else and then awful behind their back, think Caroline about Becky. He just doesn't feel the need to throw his opinions out to anybody with ears (in the house at least). Although I get the feeling that even if he did feel the need to voice an opinion, he'd be cautious about it. Call him cowardly and I can maybe see where you're coming from, but fake and two-faced are a reach.

[jet]

Well all I know is Chris says what I am feeling. He can't stand the majority of people in the house and neither can I. What he said in the DR tonight about people 'telling it like it is to their faces is bull****' is so spot on. He's like an outside commentator giving us the rundown on the real dynamics of the house.
He hates confrontation and would rather say 'I was wrong' than get into an argument, which shows he doesn't have an inflated ego like most of the wannabees. How many people can you say that about? He's intelligent, observant and unaffected by all the crap going on around him and that makes him refreshingly different.
He's a great HM.

[fitz2k2]

chris can utterly destroy each housemate but it to easy for him.Chris to win!

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, when housemates are accused of being "two faced" it's not really about their diary room sessions. The whole point of the diary room is the housemates to give their thoughts and feelings on Big Brother, including those they choose not to voice in the house.

No, the point of the diary room is to put on a performance for the audience. Victor (bb5) understood this. What's interesting is that to this day the viewers have never questioned whether or not the people who perform well in there are trying to manipulate them.

That's not the same as Helen bitching about Danielle or Toya bitching about Helen.

I wouldn't say any of them are two faced based on their diary room talks, as that's the purpose of it, to vent and talk. Bitching between themselves in the house is when they're labelled two faced.

In some ways doing that in the diary room is more suspicious. Everyone will need to go off an vent and the more natural thing to do is to go off into a corner with another person and do it. When someone goes to the diary room to do a character assassination it feels somehow more manipulative to me. And it is clearly being done "behind the back" without that person having any right of reply or to defend themself.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by jet

Well all I know is Chris says what I am feeling. He can't stand the majority of people in the house and neither can I. What he said in the DR tonight about people 'telling it like it is to their faces is bull****' is so spot on. He's like an outside commentator giving us the rundown on the real dynamics of the house.

But he never says anything to their faces either. He never stands up for what he seems to believe and instead wriggles his way out of the situation when he's caught out.

He hates confrontation and would rather say 'I was wrong' than get into an argument

Sounds like a weak person to me. And insincere.

which shows he doesn't have an inflated ego like most of the wannabees. How many people can you say that about? He's intelligent, observant and unaffected by all the crap going on around him and that makes him refreshingly different.
He's a great HM.

He's okay. But the crap going on around him with Danielle was important to understanding who she was. Imagine his response to someone coming in and saying things about Nasty Nick.

[chuff me dizzy]

No,no,no Hayden Chris is the nicest most genuine person in there

[Lister of Smeg]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No,no,no Hayden Chris is the nicest most genuine person in there

He's salt of the earth Chuff

[susie q]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Chris and Curistopher are without doubt the most decent people in there in my opinion!
Everyone talks about other people in there. Chris just does the same but tries to do it in the way that will cause the least crap and arguments. Similar really to what Christopher does and again, Christopher is a really decent, good-hearted person!

What Chris said about Bianca and Helen was absolutely correct! Bianca was bringing in info from the outside with the sole intention of stirring things up and when she told Helen in the toilet they both bitched about Danielle. He was spot-on!

Being non-confrontational, in my opinion, is a good trait. These gobsh*tes who try to justify their mean and bitchy actions by saying "i'm just up-front me. I just say things to people's faces instead of behind their backs" are just full of it. They still bitch behind people's backs, usually to a far greater degree than anyone else, but when they get drunk or get caught out they just use the same old "i'm just up-front" bullsh*t line to try and squirm out of the situation.

Like this post, I think that they have also both got fed up off trying to get there points across to people who just dont listen, and usually just talk over them. The diary room is also a good place for someone to go and let off steam. Especially after being on the receiving end of one of the "Im just up front" gangs tirade. Im fed up with the people who just use this as reason for
being downright rude & nasty.

[Marc]

Chris is decent and not an attention seeking trollop

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Donovan.

Keeping your opinions to yourself=/=being two faced or fake. At least to me, two-faced/fake is somebody who'll be nice to someone else and then awful behind their back, think Caroline about Becky. He just doesn't feel the need to throw his opinions out to anybody with ears (in the house at least).

Yes, but exactly... He throws his opinions out to the public in an effort to curry favour with them.

Although I get the feeling that even if he did feel the need to voice an opinion, he'd be cautious about it. Call him cowardly and I can maybe see where you're coming from, but fake and two-faced are a reach.

Why? His character assassinations take place in the diary room. They're done behind the back, without the person having any right of reply or chance to defend themself.