[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Helen doesn't though...she has been seen loads of times talking about people
bitching behind their backs...she slagged off Ashleigh to Danielle...she was overheard on more than one occasion bitching with Kimberley in the toilet...

She did,following the time Ashleigh was caught out when they were able to watch her on the vt and also hear the playbacks,what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She did,following the time Ashleigh was caught out when they were able to watch her on the vt and also hear the playbacks,what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.

Yes I know she did...that's the only time. However she stormed out there with Kimberley and Jale behind her...3 on 1...attacking. Ashleigh gave Helen as good as she got. Let's face facts Kimberley had no voice until she stood in Helens shadow.
Helen finally found a reason to attack Ashleigh because she saw her plotting...Ashleigh has had no reason to confront Helen because she has never directly offended Ashleigh. Ashleigh has discussed Helens appalling behaviour towards other housemates and how much she hates her for it...but everybody seems to sit back in there and watch her do it and say nothing. Chris and Christopher have done the same but they don't get slaughtered on here for it.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes I know she did...that's the only time. However she stormed out there with Kimberley and Jale behind her...3 on 1...attacking. Ashleigh gave Helen as good as she got. Let's face facts Kimberley had no voice until she stood in Helens shadow.
Helen finally found a reason to attack Ashleigh because she saw her plotting...Ashleigh has had no reason to confront Helen because she has never directly offended Ashleigh. Ashleigh has discussed Helens appalling behaviour towards other housemates and how much she hates her for it...but everybody seems to sit back in there and watch her do it and say nothing. Chris and Christopher have done the same but they don't get slaughtered on here for it.

Truer words were never spoken!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Truer words were never spoken!

obviously as you are an Ashleigh fan

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes I know she did...that's the only time. However she stormed out there with Kimberley and Jale behind her...3 on 1...attacking. Ashleigh gave Helen as good as she got. Let's face facts Kimberley had no voice until she stood in Helens shadow.
Helen finally found a reason to attack Ashleigh because she saw her plotting...Ashleigh has had no reason to confront Helen because she has never directly offended Ashleigh. Ashleigh has discussed Helens appalling behaviour towards other housemates and how much she hates her for it...but everybody seems to sit back in there and watch her do it and say nothing. Chris and Christopher have done the same but they don't get slaughtered on here for it.

If Helen had have said something to Ashleigh before then she would have been called all sorts for picking on a poor defenseless 18 year old who could do no wrong. When Helen called out Ashleigh there was plenty who had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour proving Ashleigh was no angel like some believed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ellen

If Helen had have said something to Ashleigh before then she would have been called all sorts for picking on a poor defenseless 18 year old who could do no wrong. When Helen called out Ashleigh there was plenty who had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour proving Ashleigh was no angel like some believed.

Really fair and valid point.

They are both capable of bad actions,the difference being one is 'more' open and the other sly about it.

neither of them are my favourite housemate,neither of them are in my top 4 out of the 9 left in fact.

Helen has done really bad behaviour in the house as has Ashleigh,I say again it is in the main 6 of one and half a dozen of the other although at times you would think Ashleigh was as sweet and delicate as candy floss and never did a thing out of order as to anyone else.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ellen

If Helen had have said something to Ashleigh before then she would have been called all sorts for picking on a poor defenseless 18 year old who could do no wrong. When Helen called out Ashleigh there was plenty who had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour proving Ashleigh was no angel like some believed.

Why should she not say something to an 18 year old...that was always Helens excuse...she gets called all sorts when she has verbally attacked other housemates with Ashleigh it would have been the same.Helen knows Helen can't argue /discuss/confront in a civilised way...Helen knows she is a goby spiteful person...Helen knows this and we know this because she has loads of warnings (confirmed by the housemates themselves) consequently she has had to control herself. Do you seriously think anyone in the house is an Angel...you wouldn't get on the programme if you were. Ashleigh has always looked in control... Helen hated that and waited for a good reason to attack when she got exposed for plotting.
I like to see people confront a situation...I like to see people stand up for themselves. Helens problem is that she cannot discuss or debate...she shouts people down and gets abusive...then when people try and defend themselves she tells them to shut the **** up....she is her own worst enemy.
She had every right to confront Ashleigh...she needs to learn how to do it properly.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why should she not say something to an 18 year old...that was always Helens excuse...she gets called all sorts when she has verbally attacked other housemates with Ashleigh it would have been the same.Helen knows Helen can't argue /discuss/confront in a civilised way...Helen knows she is a goby spiteful person...Helen knows this and we know this because she has loads of warnings (confirmed by the housemates themselves) consequently she has had to control herself. Do you seriously think anyone in the house is an Angel...you wouldn't get on the programme if you were. Ashleigh has always looked in control... Helen hated that and waited for a good reason to attack when she got exposed for plotting.
I like to see people confront a situation...I like to see people stand up for themselves. Helens problem is that she cannot discuss or debate...she shouts people down and gets abusive...then when people try and defend themselves she tells them to shut the **** up....she is her own worst enemy.
She had every right to confront Ashleigh...she needs to learn how to do it properly.

I actually thought Helen showed great restrain, she wanted to sort it with Ashleigh but she bided her time until a few others had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour. This not only showed the other HM's that it was not just Helen trying to cause trouble, it showed Ashleigh in a different light to what they thought.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I actually thought Helen showed great restrain, she wanted to sort it with Ashleigh but she bided her time until a few others had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour. This not only showed the other HM's that it was not just Helen trying to cause trouble, it showed Ashleigh in a different light to what they thought.

So in other words she didn't talk in private to Ashleigh but waited until she had Kim to back her up and all her gang were around as her captive audience.

She didn't expect Mark and Winston to see through her and tell her off for ganging up on Ashleigh.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

So in other words she didn't talk in private to Ashleigh but waited until she had Kim to back her up and all her gang were around as her captive audience.

She didn't expect Mark and Winston to see through her and tell her off for ganging up on Ashleigh.

So in other words she showed Ashleigh up for what she was doing.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

If Helen had have said something to Ashleigh before then she would have been called all sorts for picking on a poor defenseless 18 year old who could do no wrong. When Helen called out Ashleigh there was plenty who had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour proving Ashleigh was no angel like some believed.

Why are you bringing up Ashleigh's age? If an Ashleigh fan does that they get told her age has nothing to do with anything.
I'd like to see a post where me or the majority of her fans have called her an angel.
Ashleigh's behaviour was against the nasty vile bully of the house and her laughing sidekick. That deserves applause, unless bullies are admired these days?
She has NEVER been a bully herself who goes for nice people unlike Helen, who thinks nice is weak and an easy target.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

Why are you bringing up Ashleigh's age? If an Ashleigh fan does that they get told her age has nothing to do with anything.
I'd like to see a post where me or the majority of her fans have called her an angel.
Ashleigh's behaviour was against the nasty vile bully of the house and her laughing sidekick. That deserves applause, unless bullies are admired these days?
She has NEVER been a bully herself who goes for nice people unlike Helen, who thinks nice is weak and an easy target.

It is a 100% given that if Helen had have had it out with Ashleigh before other HM's saw Ashleigh been nasty her age would have been brought up. Other HM's had already said similar.