[Achilles]

Originally Posted by LukeB

we only see 1 hour of big brother! we do not know if ashleigh did or didnt get a warning, ashleigh didnt say it in an agressive tone she said it in a moody tone. big brother knows ashleigh never ment it because she hasn't come across agressive as helen, people hate helen more then ashleigh to

Exactly. There is a MASSIVE difference between what Ashleigh said sat at a table in a mood and what Helen said during an aggressive rant. ANY judge on the planet would be able to see the clear difference between the 2 incidents.
Maybe Ashleigh and Chris should have got a warning for saying F you to each other too

[wormsinfested]

Get her out now, c'mon!

[Marsh.]

An aggressive rant? Whispering to Ash in the bathroom. I thought she was going to kick a dog tbh.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No they don't. They are the broadcast regulator, it's not down to them to ensure anything about housemates being warned/behaviour. They enforce rules about what is broadcast and what isn't.

They have a duty to make sure everyone taking part in a programme are safe

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It'd be great if we could all have a discussion about something without it turning into 'fan wars' for once

I'm not a fan of either of them but Helen really should have been ejected by now with a dirty great boot up her poop shoot !

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by adamski94

They have a duty to make sure everyone taking part in a programme are safe

No they don't. That's the producers. That's not what Ofcom are there for.

They are there to ensure broadcasting rules are abided by.

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by delta

Non of these housemates are playing a game, what you see is what you get.

Ashiegh comes across as one of the most sickliest housemates ever to grace the BB domain.


There is nothing positive about her it's all negative, she is the sort that sucks the life out of you, all she can do is finger point and criticise, she's in her element when she is dissecting other people's behaviour and what better than when someone else comes to her with an observation then let the cat fest begin.


Shove her out front and tell her to entertain and she's fcuked. Did you see her in the money task where they were supposed to drink that horrible concoction through a tube, she never once made an effort and I noticed the camera kept well away from her.

Admittedly, non of them were really covered in glory on that one, but that isn't an isolated incident- any time she's shoved out front she balks and folds.


All she wants to do is CRITICISE- that gives her and Chris le raison de etre.


Worst kind of human beings to grace this planet.

Did you know she gives to animal charities?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

I'm not a fan of either of them but Helen really should have been ejected by now with a dirty great boot up her poop shoot !

LOL... poop shoot.

BB made the call and gave Helen a warning. They made another call and didn't give Ashleigh a warning. There will be reasons... I'm down with Helen being dragged in and reprimanded, her behaviour has been aggressive and abrasive from day one. Although I would be happier with what Hijaxers suggests.

[bots]

Originally Posted by RockBottom

Did you know she gives to animal charities?

Oh no, Ashleigh is visiting again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Quote me as to where I generalized, because I can't find it.
Quote me where I said I thought it was acceptable for Ashleigh to say what she did.

Quoting myself:



I didn't say ALL the posts. If you or anyone else didn't do this, it doesn't apply to you or them.



Again, as you see I didn't say all the posts.



Once again, only those who it applied to.



Point out where I said I thought Ashleigh's comment was acceptable.

No need to lecture me Joey or take what I say personally. It isn't all about you. I read your posts along with the rest and I wasn't referring to you at all, in fact I thought your posts were fair.

Please do not put words into my mouth and thoughts into my head that don't exist.
People generalize all the time - we all do it - but I am usually careful of trying not to and I don't believe I have ever said ALL people do this or ALL posts say that.

I'm sick of this S*** anyway.

Hmm, I did think hard before I made the response to your post but I see nowhere where you acknowledge the people who did say Helen was wrong,myself being one of them.

I am really glad to hear you forcefully now condemn Ashleigh too for her aggressive behaviour.

Hands up that I was not correct as to you generalising generally,however your start to your post states 'posts on here',it does not say 'some' posts on here.

However,while things are not obviously all about me as you say,when I say something it is only my view I am expressing,
You said, you thought my posts were fair, as I also believe others were too but that expression is nowhere in your post with the fullest and total respect.

This is by far the worst BB for you and I,I accept that as I hate one person constantly attacked all the time while another who has been far from perfect is presented as someone to look up to instead.

I look up to neither of them and find both offensive at times,one I find more entertaining than the other and one I dislike for a characteristic I really reject as to people.

My apologies for upsetting you, I do try to be fair,even when it is hard to be, I have seen others do so too.
To point out the negatives as to posting one way or the other is all fine but acknowledgement that not all do so, goes a long way too.

I think the best thing for you and I to do on this is to avoid responding to each other as to these 2 housemates as we will never agree.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to respond in the way you did above, it sounds different broken down that way I admit.
I appreciate your enlightenment as to that.

All my best to you anyway.

[rionablue]

It should be same rules for all the housemates and Ashleigh should also have received a warning for saying basically the same thing to Christopher. Just cos Helen said it to precious princess Ashleigh she is hauled to the dining room. By the way NONE of them should have said it so I am not condoning Helens actions but fair if fecking fair Big Brother. You cant pick and chose which housemates to warn when two of them have used aggressive words !!!!

[Livia]

Do we know for sure that Ashleigh wasn't also warned? No we don't.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do we know for sure that Ashleigh wasn't also warned? No we don't.

Well surely IF she has,it should have been shown aswell in all fairness.

[Dollface]

I find it strange that she got a warning for this comment but didn't get a warning for her comment about Danielle sh****** Jesus. (as far as i'm aware, she didn't get reprimanded for that comment at all) which was a lot worse than what she said in the heat of the moment about Ashleigh

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well surely IF she has,it should have been shown aswell in all fairness.

To be honest, I don't care whether they warn Helen a hundred times or just let her fly. Come finals night when she's booed back to the Stone Age, that'll do nicely for me.

[Dollface]

Warnings are like chocolate teapots, they're useless.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Warnings are like chocolate teapots, they're useless.

This one might stop them

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do we know for sure that Ashleigh wasn't also warned? No we don't.

Even by some strange set of events if an Ashleigh warning didn't make it on to the HL show, there is still twitter where the Helen warning was posted, yet no sign of a corresponding Ashleigh post.

So the evidence is mounting that Ashleigh didn't get a warning

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by rionablue

It should be same rules for all the housemates and Ashleigh should also have received a warning for saying basically the same thing to Christopher. Just cos Helen said it to precious princess Ashleigh she is hauled to the dining room. By the way NONE of them should have said it so I am not condoning Helens actions but fair if fecking fair Big Brother. You cant pick and chose which housemates to warn when two of them have used aggressive words !!!!

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This one might stop them

Now that will teach them a lesson

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Even by some strange set of events if an Ashleigh warning didn't make it on to the HL show, there is still twitter where the Helen warning was posted, yet no sign of a corresponding Ashleigh post.

So the evidence is mounting that Ashleigh didn't get a warning

Maybe the fact that Helen's been warned a gazillion times before prompted them to post it. I don't call a post on Twitter "mounting evidence". In any case, context and intent would have been taken into account when they made the decision to give warnings out and it's their call. Personally, I don't much care who got a warning because they're ultimately meaningless.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

I am not delusional,I am also not besotted with Ashleigh ,she was equally as venomous as Helen,most people can see this,stop insulting people who dont agree with you,BOTH were nasty,BOTH should have had a warning.FACT.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Did you and the other people commenting actually see BOTH incidents or are you going on quotes?
Here is the difference. Ashleigh was sat at a table in a mood after having a brief tiff with Christopher. She said she felt like bashing his head on mirror. As in, she felt frustrated with him. She did not want to go into the bedroom and bash Christopher's brains in. It's like when you are trying to explain something to someone and they don't understand you can feel like you want to grab the head and knock sense into them so they understand.
With Helen is was completely different. She was pacing the bedroom and ranting about what she thought she heard Ashleigh and Chris saying. She was angry and said she felt like going in there and kicking her head in. If she wasn't on national TV there is the chance she WOULD have. The chance is very real because we know what kind of character Helen is. She is violent, aggressive and a bully. If people seriously think Ashleigh wanted to literally bang Christopher's head in the same way Helen wanted to then you are completely delusional and would make AWFUL judges in a court.

With respect, I saw both incidents and Ashleigh was in a rage. So I do see the incidents as equal. Only my view of course, but I know what I saw.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am not delusional,I am also not besotted with Ashleigh ,she was equally as venomous as Helen,most people can see this,stop insulting people who dont agree with you,BOTH were nasty,BOTH should have had a warning.FACT.

You can say my opinion is biased because I am "besotted" with Ashleigh and I can return the lazy insult and say your opinion is biased because you hate Ashleigh. I know that I am not biased though, I am looking at it completely objectively and comparing the situation, the people involved and the context of everything.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Achilles

You can say my opinion is biased because I am "besotted" with Ashleigh and I can return the lazy insult and say your opinion is biased because you hate Ashleigh. I know that I am not biased though, I am looking at it completely objectively and comparing the situation, the people involved and the context of everything.

There you go again,'presuming' that people hate Ashleigh because they dont like her,you really dont know everything do you? I have NEVER said I hate her,I dont like her,and there is the difference.